NNHMN interview: “We are evolutionists”
NNHMN (Photo by Karo Kratochwil)
Berlin-based NNHMN have built their recent work around movement, tension, and transformation. With “Opera of Lust and The Art of Sorrow”, the duo continue to expand a sound that connects darkwave, electronic body music, performance, and club discipline without reducing itself to nostalgia. As “Cold Like Steel” prepares to open a slower, more melancholic side of the project, Lee and Michal speak about theatrical writing, genre evolution, live tension, Grauzone 2026, and “UNTERWELT”, their Halloween event at Festsaal Kreuzberg in Berlin.
NNHMN interview
Karo: Your new single “Cold Like Steel” is about to arrive, and from the way you introduced it, it seems to lean into a slower, more nocturnal emotion. What drew you toward that mood right now, and where does this track sit in relation to the material on “Opera of Lust and The Art of Sorrow”?
Lee: Yes, you are right. The sound is indeed quite different here, and the tempo of “Cold Like Steel” is much slower. The mood is also a bit more nostalgic and melancholic. After all, the album is called “Opera of Lust and The Art of Sorrow,” so this track definitely belongs to the Art of Sorrow side of it. But I still feel that, when it comes to our wave-oriented approach to electronic music, we keep the quality and the convention intact. I hope it will naturally fit with the rest of the record.
Karo: With “Opera of Lust and The Art of Sorrow,” you created a release that feels sensual, theatrical, and emotionally precise rather than simply dark for darkness’ sake. Looking back at it now, what do you feel that album opened up for NNHMN that earlier releases only hinted at?
Lee: I think the theatrical element has always been present in our music, because already at the stage of writing lyrics, I am thinking about atmosphere. Maybe it comes from the fact that I spent around ten years working in theatres, with dramaturgs, as an actress, so perhaps I always feel like I am constructing a tiny performance when I write my texts. So yes, I think it has always been there in our work.
But now, after quite intense touring, we have really started to understand how our relationship with the audience works. And it is beautiful to deliver high-energy, dance-oriented tracks that still have enough space inside them, little ambient lakes where the audience can breathe for a moment, cool down, and then rise with us again.
Also, I think being blind to the evolution of genres within the dark scene is a serious limitation. We are very much in favour of modernising the sound, of letting it evolve naturally. We are not a dark band in the sense of simply recreating the ’80s. Many bands do that. I do not mean it as better or worse. Some artists are simply faithful to the original sound. We are evolutionists.
Karo: The path from singles like “Bring It On” and “The Secret” toward “Opera of Lust and The Art of Sorrow” felt deliberate rather than random. When you release music this way, do you think in terms of chapters, tension, or narrative?
Michal: Yes, that is a good point. We do try to choose the songs we reveal in a more organised way. The idea is that the tension should grow, that one song completes the previous one or announces the one that will come next. Each single gives a short, still slightly hidden piece of information about what can be expected. It does not happen randomly. It happens in a considered way. That is it.
Karo: You played Grauzone 2026, one of the strongest meeting points for darkwave, minimal synth, and related scenes. What did that appearance mean to you, and did it sharpen your sense of where NNHMN stand in the wider European landscape?
Lee: What has been happening with our project for some time now, headlining and co-headlining festivals like Ombra, Extramuralhas, and Grauzone, does not sharpen our sense of who we are. It shows that the audience appreciates us, that promoters see it, and that we have our own public. During this year’s Grauzone, I honestly did not see the church filled so completely for any other show as it was for ours. It can be overwhelming, but it is motivating. It gives us energy to continue. At the same time, we still play very small clubs for totally enthusiastic audiences. This scene is still a niche. These festivals are the jewels in its crown. We appreciate them very much.
Michal: Grauzone is one of the best festivals in Europe, not only for alternative electronic music, but also for rock. After playing Ombra at the end of the year, then Grauzone in a beautiful church, it felt very special. It is a big family. We meet artists and fans we have known for years. Does it sharpen our sense of where the project is now? I do not know. But it motivates us to work more, to release the ideas already waiting on our hard drives, and to develop the new ones in our heads.
Karo: Your live sets often work through tension, atmosphere, and slow escalation rather than immediate impact. When building a show, what matters most: dramaturgy, physical pulse, emotional contrast, or the ritual dimension?
Michal: That comes from the kind of DJ sets I like most. The ones that feel magical never start with a huge impact, because then what? It is better to invite people into your world and then slowly increase the tension. Once they are inside, you can raise the tempo, increase the emotional dose, and we can all get carried away together. In the end, it is like a trip into another world. More or less, this is how we build our live sets. It is a recipe I keep from my DJ years.
Karo: Looking at the songs shaping your current setlists, is there a newer track that unexpectedly became central on stage?
Lee: A few tracks from “Opera of Lust and The Art of Sorrow Part One” work really well live. “Maybe Late” works perfectly. “Demon Your Demon” has been strong from the beginning. We even tested it live before releasing it, and the audience reacted immediately. “The Secret” has also become a strong point in our set.
Karo: Your schedule now includes Italy, Spain, Sweden, and then Berlin for “UNTERWELT” on Halloween. Do different cities pull different versions of NNHMN out of you?
Lee: Yes, absolutely. We think a lot about the audience before we land in different countries. Reactions are completely different. You cannot compare an audience in the Netherlands with one in Mexico, Colombia, or Poland. In some places you need much stronger contact, more speaking, more closeness. In others, people sing so loudly that I almost cannot sing myself. Recently in Italy and in the UK, people climbed onto the stage. It was sweet and funny, never unpleasant. Audiences differ in temperament and temperature. We pay attention to that.
Karo: “UNTERWELT,” set for 31 October at Festsaal Kreuzberg, already feels bigger than a simple date on the calendar. What do you hope it becomes?
Lee: For me personally, I would love it to be like a dream come true. A dark, shining dream. I would love it to become the best Halloween darkwave festival in Europe.
Michal: This year Halloween falls on a Saturday, so the date aligns perfectly. We want to create a place that presents underground artists and gives the audience a chance to discover what is still underground today but may soon become widely known. Some acts are completely fresh and already amazing. Others are legacy bands that built this scene. None of this comes from nowhere. We are all a continuation of something. We hope future editions will allow us to bring even more artists who inspire us.
Karo: Berlin has no shortage of dark events, but many rely either on nostalgia or purely on club functionality. What gap do you feel “UNTERWELT” can fill?
Lee: Festivals that inspire us most are Grauzone, Ombra, and Extramuralhas. They proved you can build a festival that does not rely only on established names, but mixes young unknown artists with respected ones. This creates a beautiful atmosphere. Underground is forever alive. There is an audience for this. We are the best example, one hundred percent self-made, no backing daddies in the shadow. Good music should never belong to one age group. We want variety and space for growth.
Michal: We want a very mixed audience: fans of EBM, gothic music, darkwave, coldwave, heavier electronic sounds, and different generations under one roof. After the concerts, the night continues with dance-oriented live acts and DJs. We hope even techno fans will join us for Halloween in a different way. This is for every soul that loves alternative electronic pleasure. Many acts will simply give joy.
Karo: NNHMN often balance seduction with severity. How conscious are you of that balance now?
Lee: Six or seven years ago, we made much more experimental music, something like rhythmic ambient, but it did not speak to many people. So yes, we think about readability. Music is communication. We are not extremely socially developed people, so art is our way of communicating with the world. You want to be communicative. But the most important thing is to agree with what you create. If you do not stand behind your work, it becomes a heavy sin. You feel ashamed. So the foundation is honesty with your own creation.
Michal: Our earlier projects were very avant-garde and existential. That has always been our trademark. With NNHMN, we want the songs to be more communicative, but the darkness still comes naturally. We evolve because we change as people. That is life.
Karo: Looking ahead, are you extending the world of “Opera of Lust and The Art of Sorrow,” or are the new songs already pointing toward your next evolution?
Lee: The thought always moves forward. We often talk about Kraftwerk and how they evolved from a krautrock band into what we know today. You cannot create as a person from your past. You are already different from two years ago. That is the nature of life. So yes, we are evolutionists. The sound changes with us.
Michal: Now we are in the world of “Opera of Lust and The Art of Sorrow Part Two,” but the material for the new album already exists. It will be more shiny than what we have done so far, but still dance-oriented. After releasing Part Two and touring, we want to return to the studio quickly. We no longer want to wait. We want to release these ideas as soon as possible. Life does not always align with your plans though.
Based in Wrocław, I work as a music journalist and photographer covering electro, industrial, EBM, gothic, and darkwave. My work includes features and live coverage, as well as concert, portrait, promo, and theater photography. What interests me most is the connection between artistic intention, what the work communicates, and what unfolds live on stage, all in pursuit of the bigger picture behind the music.
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