Industrial Music forum » Music news discussion forum

Why does no-one like Industrial music?

(189 posts)
  • Started 1 year ago by Cult of the Bleeding Toe
  • Latest reply from SinDelleMorte

  1. Cult of the Bleeding Toe

    offline
    Always Confused

    why isn't it even slightly as famous as punk?
    electronic music is mainstream now so not always having guitars shouldn't matter.
    Sideline is not read by millions so the drama that goes on shouldn't be an issue.

    The music is great (IMO) and even if some is stagnant lots is great.
    The fashion is varied and interesting enough for kids to dig it.
    and it's better than goth because it is more meaningfull (IMO and experince)

    and you all admit its dying and crap. but do you think or know why this is??

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. djtekslave

    online
    Member

    I think when you hear modern non industrial musicians, many admit to be influenced by some industrial and EBM artists, but there seems to be a belief that it all belongs to the past, as opposed to punk for which there is a belief that it's still around.

    Industrial and EBM have never been hugely popular either, when you think at peak eras like future pop, of all that era only one band made it to a major label and it lasted only one album.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. this is a total shot in the dark, but it seems to me that industrial is a bit too phase-y (for lack of a better term). What I mean but that is that it seems to be very driven by trends (experimental industrial, ebm, futurepop, power noise, terror ebm, and now tbm) and each one is popular for a couple years and flourishes, but then basically fades out and everyone proclaims it as "dead" and stops caring about it. I know so many scene people who will immediately write something off based on it being an outdated trend. "Oh this band is FUTUREPOP/TERROR/POWERNOISE? yeah theyre going to be horrible, not worth listening to". People in this scene are too ADD or something. I'm not sure what the solution is or even why this occurs. But take for instance Metal; there are tons of subgenres of metal and even though one trend might be the current most popular, the rest of them are still followed heavily and no one is saying "power metal is dead" or "death metal is dead".

    the other main problem, imo, is the very, very low standards (and funds) of all involved in the scene. Listen to other popular electronic music (techno, trance, dnb, dubstep) and you will see that their level of production is MUCH higher. The labels are also getting much better distro, the DJs are touring & constantly getting themselves out there [not all of them of course]. In "Industrial", there are so many low quality labels spitting out junk after junk release without trying to take and groom a band and get them to develop their talents. They don't have the funds to put into bands / records / touring etc. So the music is low quality and is simply not getting out there to people. I should also touch on the fact that some of the big industrial labels aren't even releasing industrial anymore (or much less than in the past). I'm not blaming anyone as I understand completely why this happens, but this is just how it is. just my two cents

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Brapley

    offline
    Member

    I've sometimes wondered if it's because the "target demographic" is slightly older than punk, or most other genres. Around here, punk/metal shows are frequently advertized as "all ages" (I'm not sure how literally people take this), raves are 16+, and industrial performances/club nights are 19+. As a general rule, people who are 16 are more open to discovering and becoming really passionate about a genre of music than people who are 19 or 20. Of course, I'm aware that it costs a lot more to put on an all ages show, so there's no easy fix to this.

    The "industrial is dying and crap" meme also seems much more pronounced in the industrial dance community. The industrial noise community seems to just do their thing, dub it to 50 cassettes, and not care that they are all unknown to the rest of the world.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. raedarius

    offline
    Member

    Because electronic music is not new or innovative as a concept any more.

    Because plenty of pop music is electronic as well, so people already like lots of electronic music.

    Because the untrained ear can't hear the difference in a lot of bands.

    Because people think that The Prodigy did it better years ago.

    Because it is techno with angry vocals, and techno is also an old-fashioned genre.

    Because if you are twenty, it is your dad's music, not yours.

    Because the definition is so narrow now that most of the music which could be ours doesn't fit anymore (I can buy Prurient, Cold Cave, Nordvargr, TenHornedBeast and Navicon Torture Technologies cds in Sister Ray in London these days - presumably because the 'hipsters' buy it - but not FLA or Wumpscut, let alone the more 'modern' acts)

    [edit] - I'm also reminded of a comment by Jairus Khan a while ago in which he said something to the effect that Disharmony was pretty much the only 'scene' music he could play to his non-scene friends that they didn't laugh at.

    and

    Because most people seem to like songs with verses and choruses, and the catchy chorus is (with rare exceptions) pretty much a lost art these days.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. Cyberium

    offline
    Member

    I'm still surprised to this day that with the extensive catalog that can be classified under the "Industrial" banner that there isn't a Sirius or XM channel devoted to this scene. I mean they have different channels for just about every genre of music, but of course the red-headed step child of the industry gets shunned. The closest they have is Area 33 and they play pussy trance music all day. I can see some of the reasons, not a big enough fanbase to justify a dedicated channel but the reason it doesn't get any support is because no one has the balls to give it some limelight. We really need to get a petition or something going trying to get a dedicated Industrial channel or Sirus on XM (they are the same now aren't they?). Shit, I would buy a subscription for that channel alone.

    What does everyone else think?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Cyberium

    offline
    Member

    @Raedarius

    The Prodigy did do it better years ago =)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. it's the dumb-ass fashion. No kidding.

    DUMB SCENE FASHION.

    It makes vanilla ice look cool, industrial/goth fashion is FUCKING RETARDED

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Cyberium

    offline
    Member

    Cyber-dreads FTMFW! wait...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. The Other Sumez

    offline
    Member

    electronic music is mainstream now

    As opposed to when?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Sewn

    offline
    Member

    It is a bunch of different reasons. One of the biggest is that it is targeted as aggressive/extreme music but it is done with mostly keyboards and samplers. That is all fine and dandy but most aggressive music fans are all about the sound of a distorted guitar. Keyboard are just to light sounding for them. I know this because I have friends who I have tried to get into this music from the punk and metal scenes but all say they can't stand synths.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. Cyberium

    offline
    Member

    Someone write a thesis on why Nine Inch Nails succeded in the mainstream and no one else has. I will be grading all answers.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. Brapley

    offline
    Member

    "Because if you are twenty, it is your dad's music, not yours."

    This shouldn't be a problem for industrial, as it's true of most popular music styles.

    "Because the definition is so narrow now that most of the music which could be ours doesn't fit anymore (I can buy Prurient, Cold Cave, Nordvargr, TenHornedBeast and Navicon Torture Technologies cds in Sister Ray in London these days - presumably because the 'hipsters' buy it - but not FLA or Wumpscut, let alone the more 'modern' acts)"

    Interesting. You can usually find FLA and :wumpscut: at the downtown HMV in Ottawa, but not the other bands. Looks like Sister Ray in London is mainly stocking a lot of CDs from Cold Spring, who I think are still sometimes relevant to industrial. I really don't see why Navicon Torture Technologies would be classified as anything other than an industrial act, I've never heard of him having hipster crossover fans.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. "I really don't see why Navicon Torture Technologies would be classified as anything other than an industrial act, I've never heard of him having hipster crossover fans. "

    actually there seem to be a decent amount of artschool noise hipster kids (at least in places with art colleges). they usually just like the most pretentious, garbage noise ever, but they seem to be somewhat familiar with power electronics, including NTT.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Brapley

    offline
    Member

    I guess that's kind of cool. What's hipster about it, beside the fact that they are art students? Do noise hipsters look like/overlap with indie-rock hipsters? I might not mind getting to know some people like that, since I enjoy going to power electronics shows but hardly ever hear about them.

    If you accept power electronics as an industrial subgenre, it appears to be the biggest exception to the phase-y/trendy problem you described earlier. It was never the dominant kind of industrial, but it's been a successful underground thing for over 25 years.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. yah, they look just like regular hipsters, and are typically very pretentious and act like shitty "art noise" (e.g. 2 samplers loaded with the most random noises ever and just hit buttons at random) is the most awesomest thing ever. Some are really nice though. But they generally like really weird experimental / noise / lofi / chiptune / and occasionally some of them like darker stuff like PE or droney shit like Sunn O))) or grindcore. When I was starting Worms of the Earth in 05/06/07 in baltimore I was mostly playing shows with aforementioned people. I moved to DC and don't really keep up with many of them though :(

    you might be right about PE, I've never really followed it though. I just occasionally listen to a few acts like Steel Hook and NTT. But it seems to have a somewhat steady following, albeit not a huge one. All those acts seem to sell out of their 1-50 run cassette releases lol.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. crispy

    offline
    Member

    Since I have very few friends in "the scene," I often play VNV Nation for my friends because it's probably the most pop-friendly scene band. It's always the same. They really dig the beats and the synths, but the second the vocals start they hate it. "OMG, they're so angry!" Really, VNV Nation sounds angry?

    The masses don't like to feel angry. They want music that makes them feel like running thru lollipop fields with puppies and unicorns while Katy Perry squirts marshmallow cream out of her tits.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. The Black Oil

    offline
    Member

    This was something I wrote on the Metro forums ages back, but it pretty much applies here as well:

    "I think a lot of it may be due to industrial's schizophrenic nature. After EBM and NIN, the industrial scene got into this weird area between electronic music and more traditional music, embracing aspects of both scenes but failing to really synthesize them.

    Electronic music really isn't personality or live performance-driven. Sure, ravers might go out to see a particular trance or house DJ, but the level of interest for the personality is hardly the same as a rock concert. The focus of the scene is also more on the club and dancefloor than a show.

    Industrial has this, but it also has the traditional mentality that you form a band and play shows, like in metal. The metal scene is more traditional. But it doesn't really have clubs, so it doesn't revolve around them. It revolves around live shows and bands.

    Industrial exists in both, and I think that might impair its focus in many respects. Fans aren't really taught to care about live shows, yet live shows are still considered important for a project. No wonder it doesn't usually work.

    This is probably as good a reason as any that, if you truly do consider your music industrial, you shouldn't be focused on the clubs. Hey, if they embrace it, awesome, but it shouldn't be the raison d'etre."

    The "industrial is dying and crap" meme also seems much more pronounced in the industrial dance community. The industrial noise community seems to just do their thing, dub it to 50 cassettes, and not care that they are all unknown to the rest of the world.

    Exactly.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. snarf

    offline
    Member

    How can you like something if you don't even know what it is.

    Half of the public thinks Industrial music is depressed house music.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. dr_chop_chop

    offline
    Member

    "the standards are too low" <--- ding ding ding we have a winner

    with NIN (and Prodigy), the songs were first, and the production (while great) was secondary. with most "industrial" these days, the shitty virus sounds are first, and the songs are non-existent. since electronic production doesn't impress people anymore, they are listening to the vocals and the songs, the part where industrial music is weakest

    combine that with club nights that have DRESS CODES (are these promoters stupid??) and a general lack of musicianship and aesthetic among the bands involved, and you have a recipe for a stagnant niche scene

    FYI, Sirius 22 (first wave) has darkwave every sunday with dave kendall where they basically play skinny puppy and siouxsie and all sorts of gothery, but this succeeds because those are basically just darker versions of what the channel normally plays: catchy alternative 80's songs

    Posted 1 year ago #

RSS feed for this topic

Reply »

You must log in to post.