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Triton Festival - One Step Forward, Two Back

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  • Started 1 year ago by truthmark
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  1. MWRead

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    I heard through the grapevine that there was rumbling on the side-line forum and thought I'd check it out.

    truthmark, for the most I agree - however, mostly because I believe it's a combination of other factors that paints a slightly different side to the entire festival. I mean, are they doing it to truly jumpstart the scene here, or rather simply to further assure the VF brand?

    For having so many domestic bands, the ticket prices were ridiculous. They're putting together a 'modest' event but charging top dollar for it - increased penalty fee ticketing as the event nears? Initially not offering individual-day passes subsequently making people pay for the entire event upfront? I thought the festival was about the people but they seem to have all the financial logistics down pat, and of course, to their convenience, lack the polish of a semi-credible event.

    And you're absolutely right about Dracula's Ball. I feel the promoters take risk from time to time, and I appreciate that.

    I also don't agree with the "DJ" playing such a passive role. This is the domino effect that's carrying over into other aspects of the scene. If people are willing to conform to the DJ catering exclusively to the venue then this scene is long dead. (Worse YET, I suspect these 'DJs' are merely stroking their own egos, but that's a conversation for another time).

    I truly I hope I'm wrong, and that this "event" is being put together for all the right reasons and decent people aren't being taken advantage of.

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  2. djtekslave

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    It's all about offer and demand... if there is a demand willing to pay a certain price for a service, then the offer is inherently justified.

    I have stopped going to clubs because I wanted to hear different types of music instead of one genre all night long. That's why I liked the AMP nights and the mixed noise/hardcore/psy raves in Montreal.

    But I remain fixed in my idea that doing something and getting involved can only turn out positively if you do it right.

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  3. krushyou

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    @MWread - I can agree with the not initially having tickets for individual days but top dollar? 25 bands @ 120 is quite a deal and maybe they did try to get other bands but those bands may not have been willing to work for what equals $4.80 for each band per ticket. Also that $120 has to pay for the venue, promotion, lights, sound etcetc and its pretty typical to reward people for ordering early and penalizing for later as this is the way for most concerts.

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  4. truthmark

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    @djtek Gotta say that you're one of the few who actually get what I'm saying, even if we don't agree on everything. I also want to thank you for keeping this discussion as serious as it could be, sans all the sarcasm and flaming that others kindly provided. You're right, I don't know the VF check book but I do know that they run their store here in the East Village and let me tell you, it ain't cheap there. They've got the nights here, hell they're actually doing a free one right now. Sure the place isn't a palace but at the same time I'm sure that the venue people having to be getting something out of it. I doubt it they're doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, if they are well, lol, idk.

    My point is, they've got their store in a pricey rent area here, assorted club nights, other collaborations, their site, their clothing site, and whatever other ways they're pulling in revnue. They know how to drive brand engagement and loyalty and that's fine. I'm sure that they're not millionares or something but at the same time I feel that they make a decent ROI to be able to go the extra mile, not be afraid to take a risk, and give the people something a little more than what they tend to expect. I feel that they're the only ones who are actually able to pull this off, finanically at least, because of their influence and intake. I think it's just good business and taking risks, payed off or not, is necessary. I just expect more from them than shown really.

    @MW Hm, make a good arguement. Idk really. I'd like to believe one thing but at the same time any good business knows that pushing a brand forward is important, no matter how it's done. I'm sure they'd like to go international so I couldn't disagee with you regarding the latter. I agree with you about the prices. Not offering individual day passes from the start was kind of strange. Also the raising monthly prices was also something I didn't really get. If I wanted to go and could only get my ticket the following month, why should I have to cash out more for the same thing, ya know? Going with what krushyou I could see the penalty thing being done but for a scene so small and an economy not so hot I don't know if that was the best way to go in this situation. An inital set price and individual day passes would have been quite fair imo. Heh, like your stand on the whole DJ thing. A poster before said it's only important to keep the crowd happy but at what cost really? A DJ should be judged on their musical diversity in whatever particular genre or venue they're supposed to cater to, not their conformity IMO.

    @djtekagain I feel that with VF the demand will be there, no matter the price, if any kind of supply is given. They've got a loyal base, something a lot of others don't. I just don't know if it's always justifiable though. Also agree with the last thing you said.

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  5. djtekslave

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    @truth
    I always come back to the same conclusion that Industrial should get out of clubs in order to regain its vibrant originality. Private listening parties are probably teh best solution. I would like do some every once in a while with local friends, handpicked for their musical openness. I just have no time to get involved in something like this now.

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  6. Veillance

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    Ok, having read the first post only (sorry got better things to do!), let me put a quick view on this. There are people trying to get something done in this scene. Due to their efforts and work they have been spending on it, it actually is going to become something successful. As usual in this scene, as soon as something is going to be better than shit, people complain about it. Yea.

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  7. It's called the Combichrist effect

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  8. Veillance

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    Hehe.

    All your hate are belong to us.

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  9. truthmark

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    Last time I checked it was just called personal opinion. It seems that nobody can dare criticize anything in this scene, whether they agree, like it, disagee, or not like it. You still gotta support it, no matter what you think of it, because people are working hard on it or hardly working. Sad.

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  10. truthmark,

    I personally had considered flying out to attend Triton to check out the music but also to visit NY for the first time in my life. Whilst there were several acts that I wanted to see very much but the rest of the lineup wasn't my thing so in the end paying 1200 for a little 4 day mini vacation didn't make much sense. Plus I would miss Slayer here.

    The trouble I see with your original post is its pretty long winded yet short on specific details. If you're such a hater why not drop names instead of lumping everyone together? If you think everyone who is playing there sucks you need to find a different scene because I think its a pretty balanced cross section. Personally, there are a couple acts I like at Triton and the rest I have little to no interest in but I don't need to throw a shit fit about now do I? Neither should you...

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  11. CRY0G3N

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    @truth - I think that the main point everyone is trying to make is that when you start a topic thread and in a very negative manner flame whatever it is you're posting about, you are going to get negativity in return. This thread could have gone much smoother had your tone been different.

    Personally, I think there are a lot of good acts that are at Triton. That is my opinion which I'm entitled to, just like your opinion that they suck is your entitlement.

    If this festival is successful and becomes a regular event, it will eventually draw bigger crowds and bigger acts. Don't forget, we're still in the midst of a recession. people, promoters, and bands don't have the kind of disposable income that they used to.

    I do agree with some of the points being made about clubs and DJ's. Cryogensecond had a good point that the DJ's job is to keep patrons happy, because a happy patron is what keeps the doors open. But I would also agree with the notion that we're stuck in a vicious cycle where what's getting played is generic dancable stomping oontz so that's whats getting made by aspiring musicians. Some DJ's get popular for their ability to fill a floor, others are known for being unique and having variety. If more aspired to be the latter it might change your distaste for the scene.

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  12. truthmark

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    @Eric Opinions, opinions

    @CRY0 Perhaps you're right. Maybe my inital post was a bit, erratic. Frustration does not always tend to make for the smoothest words. If initally my post was all over the place, apologize, but I think if all the comments there after were read I think that I got my general point across there. And of course your opinion is also respected about what you said next. I couldn't agree with you more on the last thing you said. Variety and moderation is key, imo.

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  13. krushyou

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    Day 1 was awesome

    IOC and cell dweller put on a fantastic show

    I missed the first three bands because of some bs accident

    RIB was ok if you like them

    Syrian was like watching karaoke - the music was decent but I rather not watch someone on a laptop at 3 in the morning

    The golden gate inn looks like something out of a horror movie

    Gotta say vf has me impressed the setup is quite impressive hope this isn't their last effort and it's a success

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  14. db

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    To the first post ;) WHY do you go in this kind of Festival if you don't like THIS KIND OF FESTIVAL ?!?

    Sure all the bands sound the same and use an distorded vocal, sure people go there to show up is new fucking ugly dreads and latexshitty clothes, It's normal! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? heeeeeeeein WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!
    DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    btw do you come in Kinetik Festvial this year ... you will like it ...i promess ;)

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  15. truthmark

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    @krush Lol @ your Syrian comment. Brutal. Yikes, you're staying in Golden Gate? That place is disgusting. It's notoriously known for its filth and spilled semen. Be careful, lol.

    @db Uhm, yeah. Kinetik, perhaps. Only festival so far on this side of the world that seems worth going to.

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  16. VilleRLZ

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    I'm in Europe, have been to a lot of festivals on both sides of the atlantic and I think the line up is pretty damn good. I'd hit that much rather than any of the big gothic festivals down in Germany.

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  17. The Panic Lift sounded great last night. I saw Malfunct there, too. His Turkish ass is even more dreamy in this hemisphere.

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  18. djtekslave

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    @truth
    Kinetik is amazing, can't go wrong !!!

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  19. dr_chop_chop

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    here's what i don't understand:

    #1 you are paying on the order of $2000-4000 to get your average euro band here (maybe more if they don't have previously valid visas)

    #2 the average "big" industrial band draws maybe 250-300 people in big markets

    why would you book a festival filled with bands that have the EXACT SAME FANBASE?? is apop's crowd any different from IOC's? or celldweller's? it just doesn't make any financial sense. then you end up raising ticket prices to crazy levels because you don't get the turnout because you're stuck with 25 expensive bands that appeal to the same 250 people.

    what would have been smart IMHO would have been to do a more cross-genre festival, unified by some sort of "dark" theme. get a popular dark techno/psytrance act. book an electro-influenced hard rock band like pendulum. bring in a real synthpop band like mesh or IAMX. book a dark metal band. do something other than try to recreate some approximation of m'era luna.

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  20. djtekslave

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    @Dr-chop-chop
    Not false but there is one more element you didn't consider and that is the fact that some people are willing to travel to a festival provided it's big enough. And that's what Triton did, they went big right away and attracted people from all the East coast and eastern Canada. So you can't say they're really marketing to the same 250 people.

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