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Triton Festival - One Step Forward, Two Back

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  1. truthmark

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    I figured that the Side-Line forum would be the best place to post this. It seems like the only real place to have, uhm, a discussion on these types of things but I'm not holding my breath.

    "The Most Massive Undertaking of The Alternative Kind in the History of New York." - DJ Templar

    Can you say L M A O?

    It's advertised on their MySpace as "The Most Epic Festival in the USA." Please, seeing Diary of Dreams perform on West 30th between 7th and 8th avenues was epic, and that was only one band. The truth of the matter is that the Triton Festival is a sad, half assed attempt of putting together a dark/alternative/whatnot "festival" in the U.S., but specifically here in NYC. It's a clear representation of how pathetic this scene here is in NYC. If the Rugrats were "dark" and had income this is exactly how it would play out. It's nothing more than a mere fashion show where the music is secondary. They all claim to be "unique individuals" but they're just the same as any other scene group, you just wear different clothes and like different music. You look like 25-30 year olds but seem to be stuck in the bodies and minds of 13-18 year olds.

    Before I get to the "festival" let me just say something about the club nights here in NYC. Wake up! It's not 2001 anymore. Stop playing regurgitated songs and or having "Hellektro" or whatever you call it these days on rotation. The port has been calling its ships to port but you refuse to let go. 2005 also wants its played out "Hellektro" back because a good number of those acts can't write half decent lyrics, much less sing, so they have to distort their vocals to sound all tough and mean like the rest of that assembly line. The monopoly that runs these club nights here, you know who you are, are the biggest bunch of stale, boring, predictable, uninspired, and undiversified group of self proclaimed promoters that I have seen.

    These so called promoters and DJs continue to sew the web of mediocrity. The DJs play it safe by continually playing dated songs or they play it "cool" by having the harsh EBM on constant rotation because they're afraid of how the crowd might react. God forbid that chick with multi colored dreads and piercings dances to something else and doesn't give off her pseudo militant-like tough chick persona. This is why this scene here in NYC is in the place that it's in, the garbage. There obviously can't be any direction, much less future, when there are no fresh faces who aren't just body doubles of the status quo. It's time for all of you here to get out of your treehouse that you've all been sitting so comfortably in and give us some refreshing diversity that you're all too stupid to realize is what is needed when organizing these club nights here.

    Going back to the "festival." Who are you kidding, really? You've got about almost half of the acts on that bill who can play in NYC at anytime really and ones who haven't even put out new material since 2003/2004. Epic? Give me a fucking break. Clan of Xymox and Apoptygma Berzerk are your only saving graces on that bill. Check out the bill for Amphi or M'era Luna. Don't give me the typical bullshit answer of "Oh, it's easier to do it in Germany," or whatnot. I heard it before and I don't buy it.

    The monopoly that pretty much runs this scene here in NYC should have the appropriate resources to pull off a quality and diversified event. Plan it out a year in advance, possibly even earlier. Book bands well in advance and get everything that needs to be worked out with them worked out. Don't have a bill of 25 when half of them can play here at anytime really for the most part. Get bands who have never played in the U.S. before and give it a diverse spin while you're at it. Don't give me the money excuse because not having your shitty events/club nights here for a while could help you save all of that income up for the outcome of a greater good. I think that you have the power to pull it off but at the same time I know that you'd rather not by playing it safe and rather continue to flock together with birds of a feather.

    What it ultimately comes down to is that the Triton Festival is a ghost of what it should be. It'll probably end up being the next Blacksun. You're contributing nothing new and exciting to this scene here in NYC. You and your so called DJs continue to spin this web of constant mediocrity and try to pass it off as if it's something more than that. This is all just my subjective opinion, of course, and I can only speak on how it is here in NYC because that's what I know. But please, really, wake the fuck up.

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  2. NicolasCageIsCrazy

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    i heart me some dark texas!

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  3. snarf

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    oh great, here is the obligatory drama thread before every major festival or event in North America.

    This is why we can't have nice festivals...

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  4. @ OP - Oh shut up you godawful fucking pretentious twat.
    All I can see from your rant is DERP-DERP-DERP THE KINDERGOTHS KNOW NOTHING OV WHAT ITS REALLY LIKE DERP. DERP-DERP-DERPY-DURRRRRRR I LIKE SHIT EUROGOTH AND THERES NONE BEING PLAYED AT THIS INDUSTRIAL FESTIVAL THAT A BUNCH OF PROMOTERS HAVE BUSTED THEIR ASS TO PUT ON FOR THE PUBLIC AND NOT MEEEEEEEE DERP.

    Personally I think the Triton lineup is pretty stellar, but then again I'm an uneducated rugrat who knows nothing of your dark, brooding scene, but then again I could not give a fuck about it either.

    Derp.

    PS That Paula Abdul video is immense. That was the first music video I noticed at the tender age of four.

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  5. snarf

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    I would only really be interested in seeing one band(with exception of Terrorfakt), Northborne, but then again I'm an old fart who's seen all those bands already and my tastes are a little harder these days...

    but something like this is great for NYC, it can only help

    also yeah NYC is pretty lame these days compared to a lot of other places

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  6. wait..am I reading this correctly that the main OP complaint is that the bands are not obscure enough? That is an odd complaint really.

    I am going to this with Dracos, and keep in mind, bands, that if you are fucking around on stage with the karaoke machine I'll be reporting it..heh SO PLUG THOSE FUCKING SYNTHS IN!

    `michael

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  7. The German festivals have Xtize. We can't compete with that, but we do what we can.

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  8. Interested to see what Celldweller is like live, too.

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  9. Brapley

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    Thank you! The Triton lineup is, almost exclusively, a bunch of goofy pop/dance bands I have no interest in seeing. I don't see how it accomplishes anything beyond fostering more confusion over what people are willing to call "industrial" these days (and yes, Vampirefreaks did promote Triton as an "industrial" festival).

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  10. We just can't have nice things.

    `michael

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  11. krushyou

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    I, for one am excited this is coming and hope it succeeds - 10 hr drive not so much; but I like my car damnit and planes, not a fan of...

    PLus it seems people are coming out from all states not just NYC as most of these bands rarely if ever pass through Ohio or if they did I missed it, so for me this is going to be epic provided its not karoke

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  12. truthmark

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    @snarf Heh, well yeah I thought that the posting time would be ideal. Nothing against Terrorfakt, like them, bought their stuff too but to see them play here is no rarity for the most part. Agree with you on Northborne, never played here, so that's welcomed.

    @Rogue First childish response. Congrats. Euro goth? No, not really. Busted their ass? Hardly. With the exception of five to six acts on a bill of 25 the lineup is anything but stellar. Making it dark and brooding would make it just as bad as it already is. Booking some bands who A)Aren't NYC "residents" B)Not booking bands who can tour the U.S. easily. Nothing against some of them, seen them live and they were good. C)Trying to book bands who rarely or have never played the U.S. Now that would be stellar.

    @soil Not obscure enough, frequent rather.

    @heretic Heh, well those festivals aren't big gems either. I think I would rather see Ayria put me, alongside the rest of the crowd, to sleep than see those old, fat, green spandex wearing fucks anyday.

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  13. truthmark

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    @krush It just seems to me to be more of a "domestic" lineup rather than a more diversified, international one. Personally I think that something like this could have a much bigger draw if that was the case. Then again who's going to put something like that together if not the monopoly? To them it's easier to throw something like this together.

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  14. @ Truthmark - Did you honestly believe your comment merited anything more than a childish response? I'm sorry, but I just cannot take threads like this seriously. If you had any serious constructive criticism to give the festival, then I might have chimed in with something a tad more mature, but I cannot see anything in your original post save eight paragraphs of whiny dramatization about how everyone involved with Triton apparently wants to peddle mediocrity to the masses.

    I could go on, but honestly, I've wasted enough energy on this fucking stupid thread.

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  15. NicolasCageIsCrazy

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    i heart me some dark texas!

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  16. djtekslave

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    The line up is not 100% to my taste either, but it's a start.

    Having any scene left these days is a start, better than the whole thing being dead.

    I think Triton is a good idea that deserves to be polished. If it wasn't for my parents visiting from Europe I would have gone. As I always am the positive one, I believe you should go truthmark, because as a client, that gives you a right of say on next year's line up.

    See I have been to Kinetik and COMA for many years and always respected the effort of the promoters, even if sometimes I didn't agree with some things, well now every year when I suggest bands (and not always the easy hellektro ones) they magically appear on the bill.

    So my advice is, support what's there because it's the only scene you have, and then change it from the inside... otherwise STFU.

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  17. truthmark

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    @Rogue My criticism of it was given, whether you liked how it was written and or agreed with it doesn't really matter. Just wanted to give my two cents on it. You're welcome to believe what you believe.

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    @djtek Having any scene left these days is a start, better than the whole thing being dead. I agree with you on that djtek but still. I highly doubt that if I have a right of say on the lineup that it'll be considered. It seems to me that over the years VF has only a tendency to book "comfortable" acts. I'm not trashing the acts per se, rather the way VF never seems to expand beyond their comfort zone. COMA and Kinetik, well Kinetik these days at least, is a good representation of a diversified festival lineup. Granted I may not like every one on the bill but I'll actually give them credit for actually booking bands who have never played on this side of the world and thus giving the festival a more diversified lineup.

    Idk, changing it from the inside as you said is easier said than done I think. I would just like to see VF and everybody else associated with putting this thing together to expand, make it not something so ordinary. Some may, some may not like it if that were the case but I think it'd make for a much more interesting festival, imo. Supporting what it is now would only be saying that I approve of this or whatnot but of course me saying that could be spun in any direction anybody would like. I would just like to see them go beyond their comfort zone, that's all.

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  19. krushyou

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    The point is that in the USA there is not a lot of festivals for this type of music. So, sure it may not be to your liking, but if it gets enough support then next year there could be more chances to take.

    This scene as it is most bands struggle to sell 1500- 3000 cds or product. Therefore, it makes sense to go with well known bands and people within the state so as not to cause a loss and discourage the company from trying again.

    Now, if next year they do another one and its the same lineup then you have a point but lets see how this goes then criticize after?

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  20. don't see how you can criticize this fest. it's not my thing either but you've got to respect them for putting it together. maybe its the same bands that always play, but that's a lot better than nothing! if you don't like it, just don't go (or better yet, put on your own festival).

    btw, not sure how you can call it "half assed". I've seen flyers for plenty of actual half assed shows/fests, which typically include: a completely random assortment of acts / the only bands the promoter knows, no signed bands, a total dive venue, located in a house, etc. I somehow feel Triton is above that, yes?

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