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This scene sucks major balls.

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  1. Veillance

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    So how do I start this. I have no fucking clue. Whatever.

    This scene has become a big pile of major fucking bullshit. What the fuck happened to something that once used to play a major role in my life?! Since that bullshit of neon industrial hardcore trash crap shit became popular in this scene, I used to start avoiding visiting the local clubs. All those new cyber industrial bullshit bands, noone cares about, keep coming and ruining something, we onced used to call "teh scene". Bullshit music for crappy people. That is my fucking opinion. Yea "voice it out, loud and clear." You guys remember that? I remember a time, when 90% of all the music in teh scene was quality stuff. 90% of the music these days is pure hardcore fucking BULLSHIT!!! Just listen seriously to that crap, we have to listen to in the clubs. Is this serious? It looks like every retarded fuckhead wants to become a fucking band these days and, seriously, if you feel offended by my words, you probably really suck with your retarded "music" or however you like to call that shit you "produce" with your cracked software. Please, for gods sake, fuck off and kill yourself. You are doing the world a very huge favor.
    I just cannot believe how BULLSHIT like Extize ever could become something bigger than a foul pile of shit noone should care about. And this was just an example of how worse things can become.

    This scene... I have no words left for it.

    It took about more than 10 years to create a scene, we all loved to be part of and it took only a very few years to ruin everything. Great.

    I know, I am saying, what a lot of people think, but for some reason try to avoid to say. You old school guys know exactly what I am talking 'bout.

    That is all.

    Bye.

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  2. Rogue Process

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    I always love it how people seem to blame the fact that the 'scene' is shit on the kids who wear neon.

    I'm not even going to bother explaining myself on this one.

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  3. Veillance

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    Your comment really touched me, I am bleeding tears here right now. Not. You are not going to bother explaining yourself because you can't. It is also interesting, what you are interpreting into my words. Have I been talking about some kids wearing neon? Not really. YET.

    You know, I went to a club once, got in there and was hearing some repetitive over-distorted noise all the time. About one hour later it seemed to be the same song, but of course it was a different band - it would not make much sense otherwise. So I went to the DJ asking her, if she could play some MUSIC. Another time, I met a guy, we were talking a lot and he was saying, that he has his own totally awesome music project. Yea, totally awesome. So I was asking, what kind of music he does make and he was replying something about industrial noise. How frigging unexpected was that, huh? The next day, he spammed me with his noise stuff and only because I like to be a nice guy, I told him, that his music is ok. It is not my thing, but it is ok. In other words, I was implying: What a peace of shit is that? Later on he told me, that he got signed. Now THAT was really surprising to me. So I was asking him, what label he got signed to and he replied something like idustrial hardcore noise shit stuff or whatever. Ok, very serious as one can see. So I was asking, if they are going to release his stuff on CD. (You remember these round objects?) No, he is releasing everything for free on the interwebz. So what is the point of the "label"? They do not even seem to care about doing some promotion or anything else. It is just about the fact to be "signed". Because it is cool and awesome and whatnot.

    This is not a single case.

    There are tons of such "bands"/projects or whatever you like to call them out there and those, who are too stupid to hit a keyboard key do create a cyber industrial label. Just to be something. You want me to take this shit serious? The worst thing is, that this shit is being played in clubs by DJs, who seem to have lost their last peace of taste. There is no quality at all. One does not need quality in "music", which basically constist of repetitive noises. Yes. I am not going to blame all these bands. There are good ones but they are at least signed to a serious label.

    Some years ago, a situation like that has been impossible for whatever reason. I do not know. But all the new EBM bands at least tried to get signed to a serious label.

    It is crap like that, which makes me believe, that you just cannot explain yourself.

    And this may be just me: I cannot stand watching a bunch of MEN dancing on the dancefloor with all their glowing stuff on them looking like some retarded teletubbies dancing to some music about murder, torture and kill.

    I just cannot take this serious. I just can't!

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  4. mechapop

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    I'M NOT GAY!!

    For me it's not anger, just disappointment. Involvement in the "goth industrial" or "rivet" or "EBM" scene was a big part of my life for almost two decades.

    But in recent years, it's clearly been a sinking Titanic with most people having jumped shit. Shoot, so many of the dj's and musicians I used to know on the east and west coast who lived and breathed EBM think it's a joke and have long moved onto other music.

    It's dead. 1982-2008? 1998-2009? Either way, I have no malice when I say the scene is dead. I didn't want it to be like that! My god, the memories. But when there ceases to be innovation, new directions, etc it's going to run afoul and breakdown. Just like the "goth industrial" scene was declared dead in 1998, with the EBM/futurepop/synthpop
    to the rescue...there is literally nothing to replace it that rivetheads and goth will dig.

    All the new dark post punk/gothish or dark dance music is considered "indie", and rivets/goths won't go near anything with the hipster stigma. (which I totally understand)

    There's still the Latin American, German, Portugese and some North American kids into the whole cybergoth green neon biohazard fuzzy legwarmer gasmask thing...but for the most part it genuinely feels like a lot of people have long moved on.

    But hey, it *was* a good run! I WISH there was a documentary about the scene.

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  5. mechapop

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    I'M NOT GAY!!

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  6. mechapop

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    Btw, remember when THIS used to be the scene?

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    I always find the older industrial chicks hotter, since they don't have stupid shit in their hair and don't have platform boots on

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  7. SinDelleMorte

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    "I know, I am saying, what a lot of people think, but for some reason try to avoid to say."

    This is cool except... no one avoids saying that. People say it continuously, nonstop. I hear it 20 times a day.

    Why is it that no one thinks this genre of music should evolve?? That makes no sense to me. Look at how metal evolved. Or rock. Or ANY genre of music. It is ALL constantly evolving and changing and growing and mutating. And if it didn't, people would be screaming that it was stagnant and shitty and never gets anything new.

    Oh, wait. Some of them already are.

    If you don't like where it is now, musical history has proven that if you wait it out, it will change and mutate yet again. Maybe you will like whatever comes out of that better. :)

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  8. Sanfox69

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    He rejects the oontz! He has turned his back on the glorious oontzfest!

    Well fair enough that future pop and light industrial is about as industrial a toaster oven with some eyeliner on it...but looking down on the "scene" with great disdain is such an "old farts" attitude. Yes, most of the time in one of these new ebm bands, they generally cannot be fucked to put actual industrial sounding samples in the mix, but hey, theyre allowed to do that if they want. Try having a gander and powernoize acts, theres more industrial in much of that work, then there is in the majority of 90s industrial rock/metal. I fucking hate 99.9 percent of future pop for instance, but I don`t condemn an entire community and scene for its transgressions.

    I hate to break it to you but some of the great cybernetic overlords, the wrinkled heroes of industrial, in many cases have adopted more modern sounds in their aproach as a design aesthetic. The mighty Robo Leeb had a few ebm oontzers in 2006s Artificial soldier album, the subsequent Fallout remix album featured work from many of the heavy hitters in the modern scene, Saschas electronic arrangements in new kmfdm albums is more ebm tinged then the techno of his 90s output.

    Besides if we want to get really trivial and plastic in mentallity, what the fuck is sexy about most true blue rivet girls eh ? Better music tastes maybe, more cred yes, but those fucking undercuts ?!! Bleuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhh! Now the cyber gothy goth neon batwing kids have an appeal, i like seeing the young oontzers dance about flaing their arms, cyber goth girls are usually much more attractive IMO. Maybe you need to play more cyberpunk games, watch more cyberpunk movies, read more cyberpunk books, that way youd be like "HELL YEAH!" when you see the little cyber-locked oontzers stomping about, youd have more appreciation for it. Id be fucked before I bought cyber dog clothes(I prefer expensive leather), but I still like the way it looks. Im an old man myself, but I love a lot of the newer oontzings coming out. You do not want to just listen to horribly dated sounding 90s electronics do you ? Dont be such a boring old fart, if all fails, try liquor and narcotics before hopping down to your local club to watch the kids dance about. Youre not one of those losers that sits in a club bitching with fellow old rivets with snide comments about how the old days were better and how you hate the djs set list, while you observe all these kids having a blast are you ? Have some fun for fucks sake. I know a few old rivets that hate almost all the new stuff, except for power/pro noize acts, you`d probably like that ruckus to stomp about to like rumple stiltskin.

    You may hate all the new bands coming out during the 2000s, but fear not, theres still bands with old sound design mentallity, old crusty rivet heroes are still making music. You`l find something you like. Orrrr you could make some music your self and feel superior in your head. Or...you can just think "FUCK IT!" and start listening to shitty dub step or something.

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  9. Electro Aggression Records-EAR

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    Veillance

    I've got 3 words for you: "Old School Electrology" 4-cd box

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  10. djtekslave

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    @Veillance... It's not that your music is bad, but not that great either. And it sounds a bit guilty itself of what you criticize others for... Unless this is not your music of course.

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  11. SinDelleMorte

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    Evolution is important to help music grow. Let's look at a (extremely condensed) chronology of metal:

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    As you can see, metal has fallen off a bit but it came back. The sound has changed over the years in some ways and I'm sure there are plenty of "old school" metal fans (like me) who are not happy with the new sound. It's just a good thing that not everybody feels the same way or likes all the same kinds of music, even within the same genre. If they did, some of the most awesome music would not exist. :)

    *I left off some obvious innovators like Slayer and Metallica to show that the "mainstream" face of metal has changed, just like the "mainstream" face of industrial has.

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  12. bubba

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    Thank you Geert.

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  13. Electro Aggression Records-EAR

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    Veillance

    LOTS of STELLAR old school releases out there (100% trancewhackedgoregalore-free): Object,Pyrroline,Human Decay,IC434,Second Disease to name a few!You just have to wade through the pile of so-called "electro-industrial" releases

    http://www.reflectionsofdarkness.com/-releases-news-165/10609-object-qmechanisms-of-faithqdcd-out-soon.html

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  14. ketoujin

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    I spin for such a long time now...more or less 25 years...I see the people change all the time and always some kids of the "next" generation. I don´t care about how they look since a long time. But musicwise I noticed since the download times started a lack of interest in the music. Many young people just want to come and get the products that are featured in the leading zines and DAC Charts. At least thats the situation in germany. I see young girl with big eyes ask me every week for the same tracks...since years...´The area in the club where I spin is for the noise, beat stuff and the last years I got so many good releases of artists theat are not sponsored by the zines. In the begining they (the younger and guest who just want to have a look) really really close their ears. It´s a long hard process with empty dancefloor to show that there are more and better sound exist. But for example last night I noticed that the same over and over played Eisenfunk, Shnarf, Noisuf-X etc. to bore them...anything else than this is a good step currently.

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  15. bubba

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    "You just have to wade through the pile of so-called "electro-industrial" releases."

    Yeah it's a fucking wasteland out there anymore, hence why I don't listen to much of it these days. After 2000 something happened, oh wait I know what it was... the pop mentality took hold, image became what it was all about or as that imbecile on here some weeks back stated: money talks.

    Basement dwellers with their cracked software were suddenly pronounced "musicians". Personally I believe myspace is to blame for this shitty state of affairs because they, more than anything, enabled talentless asspies to foist their "work" onto people for free. I think once these, ehem, "artists" have to pay for their visions to be advertised the pool of gormless tadpoles will dry up.

    But now and then you get albums like IC 434's latest or work from people like Pail, Portion Control, THD, XMTP or Index AI and it doesn't feel so pitiful.

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  16. Electro Aggression Records-EAR

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    Bubba

    "Yeah it's a fucking wasteland out there anymore, hence why I don't listen to much of it these days. After 2000 something happened, oh wait I know what it was... the pop mentality took hold, image became what it was all about or as that imbecile on here some weeks back stated: money talks.

    Basement dwellers with their cracked software were suddenly pronounced "musicians". Personally I believe myspace is to blame for this shitty state of affairs because they, more than anything, enabled talentless asspies to foist their "work" onto people for free. I think once these, ehem, "artists" have to pay for their visions to be advertised the pool of gormless tadpoles will dry up."

    That's what I've been saying all along(since 2001 to be exact)!I think Object is right up your alley:)

    Veillance

    Just my 2 cents. Instead of whining and bitching about the Terrorbanana/Futuremelonpop/Trancewhackedgoregalore scene, how about you do something about it: write music that you love & support the true (i.e SKILLED) electro-industrial artists!

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  17. Veillance

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    @mechapop Yes, I was angry. Someone told me to be more diplomatic, when trying to argument. I really should start working on that. However, you are very right with what you have been saying. Personally, I am having a hard time accepting, that the scene, I used to know, is dead. I cannot accept this and I am still hoping that one day all that new cyber stuff will vanish into the void and things will get back to normal.

    > there is literally nothing to replace it that rivetheads and goth will dig

    Exactly. I am having a hard time to move on to something else. If someone is asking me what music I am listening to these days, I have to answer: "nothing", because I do not really know what to answer.

    @SinDelleMorte

    For me, evolution does not only mean a change from something to something else, it also implies a change to something better. That is my understanding of evolution.
    We onced used to have a filter. That filter were the labels, who accepted and rejected bands. Those labels send promotional copies to the DJs, who played the music in the clubs. Such a filter does no longer exist these days. Those DJs I do know of, are browsing the webz to find new stuff to play on their sessions. It has kinda become a farce to get signed to a label these days. I remember that we used to talk a lot on these forums about DJs playing the same stuff over and over some years ago. This definitely has changed in the past years, but now I do not know, if this has become a good thing and therefore I am not sure, if I can call this an evolution.
    As bubba said, I also think, that MySpace & Co are to blame for this development.

    @Sanfox69

    With all their clothing and make-up and fake hair one does not know, how they really look like. You may get a big surprise, if you take such a cyber girl to your home and if things get dirty, best thing that could happen, you have to say: Please, please put back on that mask! Just making fun of it, sorry. :)

    @djtekslave

    Yes, that WAS me. This project is dead since some years and as you can hear, it has been a very experimental EBM thing. I am not sure, why you posted "Time to Kill" up there, because this track is a kinda old experimental EBM track and cyber industrial did not yet exist, when I made this track. On the other two tracks however, I have to admit, I tried to go with the "new wave". I regret that because I kinda betrayed myself on that. However, it does not make much sense talking about that project, because it is dead and I do not care about it. Also because I do no longer feel to be part of this scene. The special "it" is gone. I am not sure how to explain that. Anyways, thanks for the free promotion. It is just coming some years too late. :)

    @Electro Aggression Records

    > That's what I've been saying all along(since 2001 to be exact)!

    I have to admit, that I never really understood, why you have been saying that and why you have been acting like you did on these forums, but now I can understand you.

    > Just my 2 cents. Instead of whining and bitching about the Terrorbanana/Futuremelonpop/Trancewhackedgoregalore scene, how about you do something about it: write music that you love & support the true (i.e SKILLED) electro-industrial artists!

    Yes, you are right.

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  18. divider

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    You know, I think that the pure EBM thing has mutated into this oontz only stuff. Like all things, the scene just needs to acknowledge some diversity and promote it.

    It also would help if the scene realized that some of these indie bands fit in with us. Take Light Asylum for example:

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    These guys admit to being into industrial music and quite honestly they sound a hell of a lot like Mentallo & the Fixer, Benestrophe, and Fektion Fekler:

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    Bands in both the industrial/ebm scene and indie scenes seem to be starting from different points but working towards the same direction. There should be a cross-over.

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  19. bubba

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    Object are talented, without doubt, I like what he does. Nice and gritty. He compliments my Cycloon and Mindware albums very well. If Index AI truly are no more then along with Standeg, he'll rule the dark electro roost. Speaking of mr. Junemann... what gives pally? Do we wait another 14 years for an album!?

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  20. divider

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    Here you go:

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