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Rogue Process
offlineMemberPosted 9 months ago # -
Seraphin
offlineSIDE-LINE MODERATOR8(
Posted 9 months ago # -
EBMHaircut
offlineMemberDamn! Some good bands on there. I wonder if that means the new Uberbyte will be delayed.
Posted 9 months ago # -
From everything I've read it looks like Uberbyte will still be on schedule.
It is very sad indeed. I wish everyone from the label lots of luck!
I'm sure we'll all still be friends. I would hope.Posted 9 months ago # -
dodd
offlineTACOS!WOw that was unexpected!
Damn... I really liked their roster a lot. Sinsect was signed to them not too long ago.
This bit was particularly interesting to me:
"It’s no secret it’s a very strange and transitional time for all musicians, producers, labels, etc. as over the last decade many changes have rendered much of the industry unrecognizable to the industry I first got involved in when I started CP in the late 1990s."
This is something I've been thinking a lot lately. The so-called music industry and how Record Labels operate have been in this odd, shapeless transitional phase for a long time. I'd say more than a decade now.
I wonder what's going to come out of it. The Big labels are still clinging to the old business model for their lives and they are doing fine even though they are still panicking.
Independent labels however are suffering a lot with this shift in how you sell music.
I wonder what will come out of this. If this transition will ever end. I wonder what the future will bring. I wonder... I wonder...
Posted 9 months ago # -
r3mote
offlinegodsgirls all the wayawww poor guys.
an integral part of the industrial scene is now defunct. i'm tearing up.
Posted 9 months ago # -
Dead Soul
offlineMemberRIP.
Posted 9 months ago # -
apertureburn
offline:D"I wonder what will come out of this. If this transition will ever end. I wonder what the future will bring. I wonder... I wonder..."
a huge divide between what the big guys try to feed us and what the vast amount of self released independents and small labels (increasingly smaller, sad about crunchpod as well) put out. but then a possible collapse of a vast corrupt empire... maybe. a guy can hope, and the upheaval has lasted longer than most had anticipated.
then musicians can stop worrying about what a company wants to sell, and focus more on auditory art that others either listen to or don't. there will always be a desire to please, but profit driven trite offerings might be a lot less prominent.
pie in the sky pipedreams maybe... the possible reinvention of whats "pop" and whats "underground" and... *<my head asplode>*
Posted 9 months ago # -
Jamez
offlineMemberI hate to say it but i kind of saw it coming, the label had many projects who appealed to a really small crowd in an already small scene, they weren't "clubby" enough but also not "deep" enough to attract the atention of old-schoolers (Uberbyte, C/A/T & Cervello Elettronico excluded from this)
Anyways, its a sad day for the scene, best wishes for Ben Arp.
Posted 9 months ago # -
The Other Sumez
offlineMemberSo much for the "don't worry, we're not dying just because we're going digital only!"
I'm sad to see this happen, CP was one of my favorite labels, even if I only really dig a few of their releases.
Posted 9 months ago # -
dodd
offlineTACOS!I guess going digital only was a sign of what was to come.
Posted 9 months ago # -
Pool Waiter
offlineMemberI think the future of the independent smaller scene will be artist releases. The ones that can afford to put something out, will.
I wish the future of the independent scene would be collectives, i.e. several bands teaming together to form a mutual label but if bands haven't trusted labels, they would trust each other even less.
Posted 9 months ago # -
dodd
offlineTACOS!@ Pool Waiter
I think that's a great idea but very naive at the same time.
Imagine if all the bands that post on Side-Line forum banded together to form a label?
Oh the humanity....
This may work only on a very small scale with individuals who trust each other.
Posted 9 months ago # -
djtekslave
offlineMemberAny new business format will likely NOT be coming from the industrial scene... unless the Danse Macabre scheme becomes the norm, ie labels being replaced by promotion agencies.
Posted 9 months ago # -
dsx
offlineMember"labels being replaced by promotion agencies."
It´s just the beginning.
Many labels even stopped paying advances, so there´s not much left for them to do. Promo agencies are cheaper.
I predict in 10 years from now on 80-90% traditional independent labels as we know them will be gone and be replaced by "self releasers".
One can only hope that this will happen to the majors, too;)Posted 9 months ago # -
soillodge
offlineTech ModeratorThe collective thing has great potential. When you put aside ego's you can really get a lot of cool things done. It is imperative though to be professional and trustworthy. I have collaborated with many artists on Side-Line and I never really got into the problem like Dodd is outlining. I think things change when you are personally invested in something. Opposed to being an anonymous asshole on a forum :P
`michael
Posted 9 months ago # -
Rogue Process
offlineMemberI'm totally in agreement about the collective idea. Joss from CeDigest/Runizer and myself have been toying with such an idea for a wee while now, but nothing's ever come of it so far. Maybe it's time that changed...
Posted 9 months ago # -
dodd
offlineTACOS!Like I said, I think it's a great idea too but I see too many points of failure and Soillodge nailed one of the biggest: ego.
But then again...this is from the perspective of someone who always sees the glass half-empty.
And my comment about SL forum bands was more tongue-in-cheek than seriousness. :P
Posted 9 months ago # -
Jairus Khan
offlineMemberGlitch Mode is a collective like that. I work on it, all the Cyanotic crew do, Rabbit Junk, etc. Never had that problem.
Posted 9 months ago # -
E101
offlineMemberIt appears the idea of more "collectives" coming together to replace traditional labels is on a lot of people's mind these days. I personally aware of two already - one who launched last year and one about to launch in September. The basic outline is:
- they create a "label" name - essentially just a branding stamp
- when artists are approved to join the group, they are are allowed to use the "label" logo and whatnot
- for sake of avoiding complications, all digital releases appear on places like iTunes as being copyright of the "label" when in fact the artists retain 100% control & copyright of their material and self finance their own releases... while the "label" announces them via their website, social networks, etc.
- the "label" side of things is handled by a couple of A&R guys who know how to maintain a proper presence, do things like press releases, and maybe even c-finance a few promo hardcopy CDs to send to press outlets
- all band websites & stores like Bandcamp or wherever are tied to their OWN Paypal accounts so that there's no debates or disputes over money earned. The "label" has to maintain the iTunes profit side of things, though, but statements are simply emailed monthly so there's no issue about quarterly statements and headaches like royalties. But obviously the "label" personnel will take a cut off any profit generated from their marketing savvy like compilation placement - all agreed to by the artists before it ever happens.
That's the basic summary. And what I like about it is that it makes a lot of bands who are typically lazy as shit to be more on the ball with things without having to actually run anything. It's one step above 100% self releasing, but well below signing souls (and money) away to labels are who realistically almost as helpless as bands are now when it comes to making any waves, getting known, generating sales and whatnot. And best of all, no one loses anything except time and maybe a couple hundred bucks spread over several months getting stuff mastered, distributed online, pressed for promotion, etc. No copyrights are compromised or held hostage, and the success or failure of a project is pretty much on the band's own shoulders.
I think we're going to see a LOT more similar business models come into effect as the years go on and people finally accept that the days of CDs & making REAL money doing this are over unless you're on a mainstream label or constantly tour.
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