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   Tsarik
   

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   my bass playing friend came over today and wanted to record an acoustic song with his sister

   she can sing really well... but got really nervous when we gave her a mic

   i recorded ryan + his guitar in one take.. probably should've done it in two, but i'm ghetto tech

   his sister took several takes and i grew more and more intoxicated over time so the process got choppier and shittier

   the problem i ran into was with what i think may be called "loud plositives"... i'm going to try to fix it in Soundforge... i'm going to post the track, it wont be on my sound cloud for long.. because its a cover and my hand was only the recording, fx, mastering(lol, can i call it that?.. mastering? more like feebling)

   anyway... if you have any tips to reduce these peaks when doing vocals either when doing the vocal or after the fact i'd really love to learn some new techniques

   i don't know who the original artist of this song is.. but i've always liked acoustic stuff and hope to make use of Lexi musically in the future.. when she isn't worried about being recorded.. she really opened up and it gave me goose bumps

   http://soundcloud.com/rust-creep/ryan-lexi_cover

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   soillodge
   

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   You mean "plosives". Like when you say the word plosives and you get the big POP in the recording. You need to make a pop shield [ghettp tech] or buy one :P You can make one with a coffee tin plastic lid and some pantyhose ;) You just need a filter for them to sing through that will soften the plosives.

   Now, for was was already done, this is very cool. Lexi sounds more confident than Ryan most of the time and a lot of what Ryan is signing is effected by his playing of the guitar. So next time you want to track everything separately. That way if he drops out again or someone kits the wrong key, you just need to redub the section and not the whole track because you have to replay the guitar.

   Never heard this song either. It was very good.

   `michael

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   lexi probably sounds more confident because after i pieced together her vocals.. fucking up a big part where her vocals aren't even present... i used soundforge's vocal compression... her levels were really low... and then after soundforge's lite compression, i then sent her vocal track to another software compressor... so it was kinda like doubling her track.. one raw(post soundforge) and one with an additional software compressor

   i've read about recording through a compressor into a limiter.. and i can probably do this on the eventide or through reaper... but the manual... i must read them... i mainly do things "ghetto" because i'm too fucked to care about doing them correctly... hopefully this changes... but i have to be finished with tax law... i can't really stand to learn anything additional at the moment

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   Tsarik
   

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   reading my post.. i read myself as sounding overly presumptuous and proud

   make no mistake.. anything that sounds cool is due to ryan and lexi... i'm only doing my damnedest to capture it as well as i can

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   This song rocks! Really well done and nicely written. Like Michael suggested I say get some pantyhose if you don't have some already and track the parts separately. Only track with the limiter as a last resort on the vocals. Recording the acoustic with some light compression might help. Generally I like to record as hot a signal as I can to make sure I am getting the full resolution of the chosen bit depth. But there are times when the dynamics of a performance are too extreme to just crank up the preamp due to hot transients clipping the interface. In those situations it sometimes helps to use a limiter so I can make the signal a little hotter. But I only do this if I know I am going to be using a great deal of compression later. It is best to fix things at the source as much as you can - mic technique, playing dynamics. The human element is the first thing to adjust. And there are times when you simply have to settle for a low input level and fix it later to preserve the performance.

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   Tsarik
   

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   thx for the advice, dudes

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   CrclOv9
   

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   Ya, you can get really got pop filers at musciansfriend.com or at long & mcquade type stores for like $20.00, and they will reduce or completely eliminate those peaks your hearing... give it a shot, reply to me if you have any questions :)

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   +1 on pop filter, lite compression, limiting.

   ime, dynamic mics seem to take the volume jumps & plosives better then condensor. i love my SM7b. also getting the singer to project off axis a bit & not directly into the diaphram often helps, especially if they can spot the plosives ahead of time & redirect their head just a bit. a singers ability to control their relationship with the microphone is a more advanced skillset that someone with a "good voice" may not have developed yet.

   also, i always lie & tell people i'm doing a signal check & hit record anyways. for some reason that red light is too much pressure for some performers.

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   Tsarik
   

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   awesome tip about singing off axis, anticipating the plosive and the "signal check" method

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    metaball
    

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    sometimes if yer losing a vocalist to fear of the red light, the distraction of keeping track of where their voice is pointed is enough to get them to focus & do a good take. other times it's the straw that causes them to collapse. sometimes it's hard to know when to use the carrot & when to use the belt, i think some people are just not ready, no matter how much poking & prodding you do.

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    "sometimes it's hard to know when to use the carrot & when to use the belt"

    My mental image is some kind of crazy S&M studio where you have the latex girls with saddles and blinders on. That's not too far off from how you people do things in LA right? :P

    `michael

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    ::My mental image is some kind of crazy S&M studio where you have the latex girls with saddles and blinders on. That's not too far off from how you people do things in LA right? :P :::

    throw in a couple sybians & some electrical tape & it sounds like a party to me.
    (unfortunately the reality is far more mundane these days)

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    In NC the scenario also involves farm animals, cattle prods and hooked on phonics.

    But seriously another good idea is to record more than one take if possible. And to get those takes done on the same day since singers voices and singing style tend to change from day to day. You can then choose which take is best or build the best take from pieces of each if necessary. And the additional material will allow you to double up for emphasizing certain lines.

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    work out some harmonies, alternate parts, certain words or phrases to emphasize. talk about the song, what it means, what would be appropriate. imo, the more you can involve the singer in the creative process, the less are likely they are to feel like a lab rat under the microscope, there to be a dancing monkey on demand.

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