95% of Music Downloads are Illegal:
http://hothardware.com/News/95-of-Music-Downloads-are-Illegal-IFPI/
Just thought I'd throw this into the mix.
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question about the history of piracy
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Posted 1 year ago #
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Sewn
offlineMember@impurfekt
But it doesn't stop them from cracking the games. If you go on any torrent site they are just as rampant. I think valve's steam DRM is the best version of game security I have ever seen. You can download the game over and over again because its linked to your account just like an xbox live arcade game is on the 360. The companies should do this instead of the 5 install limit thing.
Posted 1 year ago # -
The Black Oil
offlineMember@impurfekt:
Sorry, but you are putting some awful logic and suggestions in this thread.
In my opinion, anyone who manufactures a device which plays digital music is actively supporting music piracy.
So every inventor and/or manufacturer of a product is responsible for the actions of the individual owners? Maybe NOBODY should be able to buy an mp3 player because a lot of people put illegal mp3s on them? Taking this to its logical conclusion, nobody is responsible for anything they do as individuals. This argument might have some merit if a manufacturer recklessly and/or knowingly sells a product to a buyer they suspect will put it to bad use. Since we can't read any minds, this unfortunately does not apply to sales of mp3 players.
Security has to increase more and more making things harder for legitimate users.
No, it doesn't.
This is the same argument being used to justify having your balls groped while in line to get on a plane because one guy tried to blow up a bomb in his underwear. Forget the fact that a terrorist will just try something else next time. Forget the fact that the vast majority of airline travelers, who have done nothing wrong and never will, have their liberties and dignity infringed. We have to do it because we're "safer."
"If we don't put copy protection on our CDs, then the terrori-,er, music pirates will win!"
How is making life harder for legitimate music consumers going to stop piracy? Copy protection isn't even a SMART idea!
If I remember correctly, Sony's much ballyhooed cp tech was hacked in a matter of days. Make a new program, someone will hack it. Pirates don't give a shit. That's why they're pirates, for cripes sake!
Meanwhile, let's look at the dedicated fan that buys a copy-protected CD. They find out they can't transfer that CD's music to their mp3 player to listen to while jogging because of a fear of something they weren't planning on engaging in. What if they don't even HAVE a player that the CD will work in? Maybe they only have access to a laptop at the moment? Here they are, loyally plunking down their hard owned cash for a band they like, and they're punished for it.
So now you have one illegal downloader continuing to merrily do as they please, and one formally loyal customer who will swear off buying CDs and go find something else to spend their money own that entails less hassle.
Yeah, good job, there.
If the major labels HAVE abandoned cp, then its because even THEY, pea brains that they are, realize how stupid an idea it is.
until the internet is actively policed by an international organization, musicians, independent software developers, photographers, etc are all fucked
Oh yes, an "international organization" full of unaccountable bureaucrats that will tap our computers and routers. Gee, nothing could possibly go wrong with this, right? I'm sure there'd be no corruption, no abuse of powers, and no mission creep into spying on people beyond the organization's original charter, because something like that has NEVER happened EVER.
Once again, pirates wouldn't give a shit. Meanwhile, the good people doing nothing wrong are less free.
A War On Downloading would be about as effective as the War On Drugs has been. You can't fight human flaws with nothing but blunt force. That only makes things less free for EVERYBODY. There are better ways. SMARTER ways.
Illegal downloading is, like anything else, an economic one.
Economics is all about choices. So, how do you stop people from deciding its a better choice to pirate?
Education, new strategies, etc. Next time you see a person talking about that album they didn't pay for, explain why you think its wrong and how it hurts the artist. Bands/labels are going to have to come up with new ways of connecting to the listener and making them want to spend their money. It's not fair, but that's life. You're not going to wipe out piracy, but you might convince hearts and minds and turn the tide, and that would make things better for more people, which is what it should be about.
But trying to stop CDs from playing on a computer and hoping the problem will go away is so much simpler.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Ornox
offlineCowardly Dogwow, mention piracy and the sidelinians come marching out in their great numbers. I thought someone was just going to say "yeah, but they phased them out" and that would be it.
don't you think this thread would be better with image embedding?
Posted 1 year ago # -
E101
offlineMemberI like to believe that the reason copy protected CD's were sidelined was because all the "geniuses" who thought it would be a good idea finally realized that all it did was screw all the people who actually BOUGHT the CD's in the first place.
"Thanks for buying our product and for supporting us and our bands. As a treat, here is a fucked up CD that probably won't play properly in 90% of computers, and if you want MP3 versions of the same music you just payed for, too fucking bad."
That sums up what copy protection did for the industry. The only time it made/makes even remote sense is for advanced promotional copies. Period.
Posted 1 year ago # -
The Black Oil is spot on!
Posted 1 year ago # -
Seraphin
offlineSIDE-LINE MODERATORThe answer on piracy:
I believe it has something to do with Johnny Depp?
Posted 1 year ago # -
Seraphin
You're off the mark... It has something to do with a Caribbean Queen.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Jairus Khan
offlineMemberAny product where pirates have a better experience than paying customers do is begging to be downloaded.
Posted 1 year ago # -
The Black Oil - I stand by my statement. I believe any manufacturer should take an active role in seeing that their products are used in a lawful manner.
The culture of music piracy is ballooning and mp3 manufactures are cashing in without shame. The least they could do is put labels on their boxes discouraging piracy.
At some point in time the internet will be policed. It has infiltrated every aspect of society. Continuing to ignore crimes in the digital realm has given rise to an entire generation who have no morals whatsoever when placed in front of a browser.
The long term consequences of this can only be dire.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Jairus Khan
offlineMemberThe only time it made/makes even remote sense is for advanced promotional copies. Period.
Reviewers are the last people you want to give sub-standard product to, not the first.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Sumez
offlineHuge member@impurfekt
Sumez - You are right. It's impossible to stop someone from just recording the output on a CD player while playing the disc. It is more of a hassle though. Isn't that what it always breaks down to? You can't stop everyone, but you can make less people feel like going through the trouble.
You are completely ignoring the most important part of the post you were replying to - The problem isn't the people making the illegal copies, it's the people downloading them.
People will make the illegal MP3s no matter how much trouble the labels make them go through, that's a fact, because it takes only ONE.
However, the people who just connect to a file sharing service to download the album in question won't have to go through ANY more trouble AT ALL because of the protection. They most likely won't even notice it exists.Posted 1 year ago # -
Sumez
offlineHuge memberIf I remember correctly, Sony's much ballyhooed cp tech was hacked in a matter of days. Make a new program, someone will hack it. Pirates don't give a shit. That's why they're pirates, for cripes sake!
So true. In fact, they'll most likely just enjoy the challenge.
Posted 1 year ago # -
I say lets ban CD Players! Or at least stop selling CDR's! after all you can copy cds from your friend and not have to pay a dime.
Getting back to illegitimate downloads relating to album sales. It's not that simple. There are other factors inolved. How many sales can be contributed to internet being invented and serving as a promotional tour?
What if there wasn't the internet, how would these artists/labels sell their records?
Posted 1 year ago # -
Jairus Khan
offlineMember -
Sumez - That is why I basically went on to say mp3 players should be banned. I just wanted to address your statement about people circumventing a physical medium.
As others have said, the music industry is shooting itself in the foot with any device that will play digital music files. By inventing mp3 players they took a small movement and turned it into a mainstay of entertainment culture. That is a lot of damage to undo, but I don't see an alternative that doesn't involve mass copy protection.
The only way to really stop music piracy is to return music to a physical, controlled medium.
It's only a matter of time before the same thing happens to movies on a similar scale. The only thing buying that time is bandwidth limitations. People are more interested in stealing crappy mp3's than crappy mpeg's. Though, if you look at the porn industry you can see the future of the mainstream film industry.
Luckily the film industry has REALLY deep pockets and will do whatever it takes to protect their intellectual property. Let's hope the music industry follows suit. Precedence must be made or government inaction will continue.
As music can all be had for free, we have to convince fans that we deserve compensation for our efforts. We have to shift the focus from paying for music to supporting the artist. That requires a relationship. We have to replace the value the internet has stripped away.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Jairus Khan
offlineMemberAs music can all be had for free, we have to convince fans that we deserve compensation for our efforts.
Good luck with that part. Working hard at something doesn't mean you deserve a damn thing from me. If I choose to support an artist, it's because I'm giving of my own resources to try to support someone else, not because they deserve my money. Musicians are so fucking entitled.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Thank you. My point exactly.
Posted 1 year ago # -
djtekslave
offlineMember@Jairus
That's an interesting paradigm change... going from I pay because I want a product (without regard to any intrinsic value), to I pay because I want to ''support''(without regard to anyone ''deserving'' anything).This is an interesting overall business trend. A lot of peole are returning to small stores without regards to price, also because they want to ''support''. It's true, I see it everyday. Of course it doesn't threaten the giants yet and I think it's still only the beginning of interesting society changes, but the machine is already at work.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Jairus Khan
offlineMember@djtekslave: I think it's because filesharing has removed the artificial scarcity that music had for us while we were all growing up, and has revealed that the intrinsic value of a song is something very nearly close to zero.
The value of being part of an artist's community of supporters, I think, has much more potential to support a musician.
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