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question about the history of piracy

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  1. Ornox

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    Okay, back in the day I remember seeing something on TV about how CDs were going to become copy protected or something, meaning that people couldn't rip or copy CDs. And then I remember someone telling me that this could be bypassed by drawing on the CD with a black marker.

    I've forgotten major details, but is this to say that there are some CDs from circa 2000 & whatever floating around that don't rip to files easily? And furthermore, what kind of technology can be bypassed using a texter?

    sorry, just had one of those flashbacks to a particular moment in my past, and I need answers. I'm sure a couple of you veterans know something about this.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. There are some CDs from circa 2000 which don't rip to files easily with circa 2000 hardware and software. I haven't met a CD yet which doesn't rip well with modern hardware/software.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. S80

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  4. impurfekt

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    You'd think they'd have found a way to copy protect CD's by now... In fact, I'm sure the technology exists. I think the major labels haven't lost enough sales yet to care though.

    Until they do the rest of us are left out in the cold.

    Which is just what they want anyway.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. Cult of the Bleeding Toe

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    it's too late for them to have copy protection for cd's...

    Too many people use Itunes/Ipods and mp3 players.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. The Black Oil

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    Cold Meat Industry experimented with this on a couple releases years back. It was quickly scrapped due to the universally negative reaction it received from customers.

    Sure, the tech is there, but the Cold Meat experiment pretty much showed that all it'll do is alienate the people still left who buy physical product by punishing them for the actions of pirates.

    A pirate isn't going to give a shit about copy protection. But I sure will if I buy a CD and can't rip it to my laptop.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Ornox

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    so... the CDs work work in CD players but not in computers?

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  8. Cult of the Bleeding Toe

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    no, they don't work period.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Tommy T

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    hey Impurfekt..I like what you said here....

    ""You'd think they'd have found a way to copy protect CD's by now... In fact, I'm sure the technology exists. I think the major labels haven't lost enough sales yet to care though.

    Until they do the rest of us are left out in the cold.

    Which is just what they want anyway.""

    ---I was saying that years ago and was being slammed and accused of thinking it was some conspiracy, but it is reality.The major labels love seeing the indies get ripped off to the point of extinction, cause then we don't rival them at all..they get lots of lost sales too, but compared to how many sales they get and how much money they have to advertise it to stupid people as well as computer savy people is way beyond anything any of the indie labels will ever have..especially in this poor ass scene.
    The mainstream is thriving as always, and all the good music is being destroyed and pirated at a ridiculous pace..it grows each month.

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  10. You'd think they'd have found a way to copy protect CD's by now... In fact, I'm sure the technology exists. I think the major labels haven't lost enough sales yet to care though.

    You would? How would you copy protect something as simple as a sound output? As long as you can HEAR something, you'll be able to copy it, it's really simple.

    COBT actually has one of his rare relevant points. Yeah, the point was to make CDs playable in players, but not computers. But we're dealing with a digital media here. There's no way that isn't a problem to most consumers.

    The thing is, as long as ONE person is able to copy a CD, it can be released to the pirate community, so it doesn't matter how many people aren't able to. The only thing copy protection on CDs results in is pissing off people who bought the music legally, because the pirates most likely won't even notice the copy protection exists.

    This reminds me of the copy protection they had/have on early DVD players (such as the PS2 and first Xbox) called Macrovision. Basically, what they did was registering if the DVD player was connected using a high-end video cable such as RGB (or S-video for Americans, I guess), and colored the picture all green and unusable. So basically, you were only able to watch DVD's on crappy quality cables like composite. God, there is no word for how ridiculous that was. What's the point in buying a DVD if you can only watch it in crap-quality? And who the hell would even want to hook up their Xbox or PS2 with a composite cable and have all their games look like mud?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. snarf

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    "I think the major labels haven't lost enough sales yet to care though. "

    so where are the specific statistics that show album sale losses = filesharing ?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. djtekslave

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  13. YADE

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    that's true....these CDs could not be played in a Computer....taking an Edding and blackening the first around 5mm of the CD worked that out....

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  14. Ornox

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    interesting that this seems not to be mentioned anymore.

    looks like the man failed and is embarrassed

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  15. YADE

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    oh and you are right...I think most Major Labels do not care anymore...because they changed from complaining about the evil digital revolution bringing out all these even more evil filesharers to discover new strategies like MP3 Flatrates, or even simpler digital only releases available on portals like beatport,Itunes,Amazon etc to make their money with....much lesser risks and cost (no storing problems, no average selling calculation and pressing, no press costs etc etc) for more earning per song (broken down on a Price per Song of a CD)

    filesharing nowadays is simply a fact...like theft is it in a say clothes store...even you can continue to complain about this and look for the ultimate solution (or not and just continue complaining) or build a solution that prevents part of it and invest in new ways to make legal buying more attractive...

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  16. Sewn

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    I think the worst thing to combat piracy is Securom. This is the technology used to stop people from installing a pc video game multiply times. You now pay for a license to install on average 5 times. Its a load of crap because of two reason. First people format their pcs or change hardware frequently. The second reason is it only hurts the people willing to purchase the games not the ones using cracks.

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  17. impurfekt

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    Sewn - Well, the fact is, if you don't include something like that then theft of your product runs even more rampant.

    Pirates don't care, but the rest of us should. Pirating hurts all industries. Software prices go higher and higher. Security has to increase more and more making things harder for legitimate users.

    Sumez - You are right. It's impossible to stop someone from just recording the output on a CD player while playing the disc. It is more of a hassle though. Isn't that what it always breaks down to? You can't stop everyone, but you can make less people feel like going through the trouble.

    Honestly I wouldn't mind having to always listen to CD's on a player. That's how it was a few years back and no one complained. If that means people will steal less music I am fine with that. However, I think a better idea is to use some other smaller format like SD cards. Then people can still listen to music on ultra portable devices but we can still protect that music. Let's face it, iPods are here to stay. But they could always change them so you just listen to subscriptions services and podcasts, then add a slot for SD card albums you actually paid for.

    Snarf - It's impossible for sales not the be effected by illegal file sharing. Specific numbers are impossible to establish either. I know the big labels have only recently started recording digital sales.

    I think what this all boils down to is that until the internet is actively policed by an international organization, musicians, independent software developers, photographers, etc are all fucked. The only alternative to that is to shift the market back to physical sales by changing the way music is packaged and the way we listen to it. Both options are possible but I think the second option is more feasible as the only way an international organization could be implemented on all countries is by force.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. S80

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    MP3 players = record labels shooting themselves in the foot.

    Think about that. Most record companies have sister companies that make mp3 players.

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  19. impurfekt

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    Exactly. In my opinion, anyone who manufactures a device which plays digital music is actively supporting music piracy.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. djtekslave

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