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  1. fractured

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    Hey Guys,

    I've been messing around with an 'all-hardware' setup for a new project I'm thinking about starting. Now my question is this..

    I'm quite unexperienced with hardware sequencers but im wondering if there is something that works similarly to how fruity loops (pre-fruity studio) works. By that I mean, 16 note step sequencer, and the ability to sequence patterns on the fly. I guess it would make most sense to use something like ableton with the live grid mode, but does anyone know of a device that does this with pure hardware? I want to be able to create patterns / sequence all live on the fly.. Any ideas? Also, this will all be plugged through a midi chain of samplers / synths so it can be a dedicated sequencer, I dont need any cheesy internal soundbanks ;)

    Nick

    Posted 1 year ago #

  2. dodd

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    You should take a look at Grooveboxes such as the Electribes EMX-1 and ESX-1 by Korg and the MC Series by Roland.

    I have just recently acquired a Roland MC 909 and the sequencing capabilities are great. You can create patterns in 3 different modes and switch between pre-recorded patterns by using a function called RPS where you press each pad to recall a different pattern making it easy to mix them.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  3. Tsarik

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    WILL PROBABLY PISS YOU OFF.

    Analogue Solutions - Europa

    http://www.analoguehaven.com/analoguesolutions/europa/

    Posted 1 year ago #

  4. Tsarik

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    sequencing monster

    http://www.sequentix.com/cirklon.htm

    Posted 1 year ago #

  5. fractured

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    @dodd: I used to own an electribe, im kind of against buying any Korg equipment but you are probably the 5th person to say use one :P I will definitely check out the MC909, thanks!

    @tsarik: DAMN! the Europa looks badass! Now there is a simple piece of gear I think I could learn!

    Posted 1 year ago #

  6. KryonikMessiah23

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    Say hello to my birthday present.

    http://www.analoguehaven.com/genoqs/octopus/

    I love good sequencers. I'll still of course work in my DAW but damn this thing rules. I think if I ever go live at the VERY least I could trigger sequences from something cool.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  7. YADE

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    for multisequencing

    http://www.genoqs.com/

    but it's rather expensive

    Posted 1 year ago #

  8. Tsarik

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    the octopus is fucking badass.. i can't believe i forgot that one

    Posted 1 year ago #

  9. Rogue Process

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    That new Sequentix sequencer looks positively badass. Shame I don't have money to drop on this shizz.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  10. virul3nt

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    I would have to agree in that Korg gear isn't really up to snuff. Instead I rather recommend you use an Elektron Machinedrum UW MkII (yes I was trying to sound like YADE then :P )

    Oh and the MC909 is a beast. Saw Converter do a gig with nothing but an MC909 and it totally rocked.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  11. dodd

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    Whoa! Converter is one of my fav Powernoise projects out there. Now I wanna unlock the secrets of the MC909 to make good noise like him :D

    Posted 1 year ago #

  12. virul3nt

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    Totally! I'd love to know exactly what he was doing with it..whether it was just for playback or if it was all being generated + distorted in-the-box.

    Didn't Converter do a tonne of stuff on nothing more than an ASR-10?

    Mono No Aware played the same festival and used nothing but an ASR-10 and a microKORG. Overall an inspiring lack of laptops...

    Posted 1 year ago #

  13. soillodge

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    There is a possibility of doing this with Livid Step and a Livid Block controller. You do still need a computer around to run the program-but it does not have to visible, and the Block will only cost you 400$ Livid Step is free.

    You use the grid buttons as the sequencer and set up MIDI-OX to send CC knob/slider info to your synths/modules.

    `michael

    Posted 1 year ago #

  14. YADE

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    Can the Grooveboxes (independently which) send out multiple sequencer lines at a time?

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  15. dogmeat

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    yes they can, i used to have roland's mc-307 and it could do that, programming sequences longer than two bars was a bitch though, so i sold it.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  16. YADE

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    oh an AKAI MPC could also be a good choice...dunno too much about it though....but Hiphopper love it....

    Posted 1 year ago #

  17. dogmeat

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    yeah, but the cheapest way to have on the fly step sequencing is the korg electribe, not the pricy emx/esx ones, get yourself an er-1 or es-1, or any of the first generation of electribes, there are mkI which are plastic and mkII which have metal faceplate, any will do, they used to go around 100$ for mkI and a little bit more for mkII of the first generation. you do not need to use them as sound sources, just get the midi out to any sampler, daw, synth, whatever, and you've got a great little seq
    the only thing to note is that the first generation ones (er-1, es-1, em-1, ea-1) have up to four bars of sequences and the new shiny-with-tubes ones have 8-bars PER PATTERN, and since you can chain patterns into songs on all of them, this ain't that big of a deal.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  18. YADE

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    @Dogmeat: I have an ES-1 :-)....problem is, that you can only add fix 8 notes globally...meaning you only have 8 notes which you can play.....in combination with ableton this works ok, for you can trigger clips...but still not really comfortable...

    Posted 1 year ago #

  19. soillodge

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    The MPCs are better for loops-not sequencing. You could build loops of your stuff though and use it live pretty effectively. Same with the ASRX.

    But then you are basically doing what Ableton or FLS can do much better.

    `michael

    Posted 1 year ago #

  20. dogmeat

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    @Yade i know, it is severely limited, but as i said, it is an extremely cheap and, in some cases, adequate option. morgan packard gave a tremendous concert in belgrade a few years ago, and he used just an er-1 mkI as a sequencer/midi controller for ableton, no audio.
    to me, es-1's biggest flaw is the absence of dedicated outputs, even the pricier ones have only one stereo out, but this doesn't concern Fractured.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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