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Mixing industrial music not accepted?

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  • Started 1 year ago by Jamez
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  1. First off I think ndru and Dani rock it in Albany; if anybody’s ever in upstate NY you should definitely check out their night.

    I think mixing is awesome but this scene just doesn't know what to do about it or how to integrate it very well. With a traditional (not industrial) electronic night, techno, dnb or whatever, you have DJs that go out and select their tracks very carefully and deliberately to deliver a style like "such-and-such club has a house night I'm spinning second at so I spent my day at Halcyon picking out a good house vibe with a lower tempo." They don't do requests, and while it might be an ego thing, it’s also about trying to craft a night’s vibe a bit too – another factor is mixing requires two tracks that are at least a little similar.

    A darker electronic club night basically runs on requests and playing the hits. It doesn’t lend itself to mixing unless it’s paired with a good track (and let’s face it, the clientele want their requests played and that’s important; but they’re going to request Ministry and then VNV Nation). The music itself follows more of a rock or pop structure – meaning a song has a verse, bridge, chorus, verse, chorus, coda while the traditional trance, house or dnb song has a start, buildup, payoff and then mixout.

    I've DJ'd at a few industrial nights and sometimes I've rocked it with my mixing and sometimes I've completely cleared the floor. It’s tough to find the balance – no, it’s really tough – especially when the requests are flying in. It always seems like you can’t ever have enough music. Either somebody will request something you didn’t bring or bring a CD to be played you’ve never heard before and therefore have no hope of mixing properly in a club environment…you’re best bet if you’re going to be DJing an industrial night is to be ready for anything.

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  2. Jamez

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    Its really not that hard once you get to know the crowd you're playing to, but thats why sometimes im afraid to go play on other cities/countries, for example the mixes i heared from DJ Led Manville are just what i was talking about in my first post, really heavy mixing that clears the dance floor, but somewhere there is a place where people digs that.

    As for the "requests", where i live we sorted that out like this: an e-mail on the flyers to send their requests, what most people asks for are the ones that we play and the other ones, we see if they fit the playlist or we spare them. Everyone is happy and you dont have to deal with someone annoying you at the dj booth asking for "rammstein - du hast".

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  3. toadflakz

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    In the UK I know of 2 other DJs who DJ industrial who can beatmatch properly... The one definitely does the mashing stuff up (for example, in that long quiet section in X-RX Stage 2) but he also practices for 3 hours every day... Most places here either don't care or don't like it.

    In Germany, I've heard a good mix between both - good DJs who play to the crowd, fade-in/fade-out style and ones who mix everything and occassionally mash-up (Thorben from Infacted and DJ Lecter from Frankfurt immediately spring to mind)...

    Oh, and I've heard someone beat match metal and rock... It was truly amazing and well worth a listen. And it was at a relatively normal club too (Sin City at Electric Ballroom in Camden).

    To me, DJing is about filling the floor and keeping it that way while pushing the boundaries (if the crowd on the floor will let you). Some of it is art, most of it is craft. Except for my one friend (the 3 hour a day practicer), I don't think most DJing is that skillful - that one friend tho' does amazing things with mixes and what he does is verging on being art of it's own accord.

    My 2c...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. diakonradish

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    Would like to hear what Torbens playlists are like.When I used to go to NYC it was pretty much entire songs beng played with a few exceptions by Rexx Arkanna or Dj Bent who would beatmatch and transition smoothly but not really sample mix with overlays.
    My personal preference is straight songs with maybe a long quiet intro being shortened if no beat or discernable vocals are in it.
    Djing is about filling the floor as mentioned above by toadflakz and everybody has good points, I guess alot of it is knowing your crowd and guaging (eh?) if you can get away with some mashing,oversampling etc without clearing the dancefloor.many times I have tried to introduce a new songs into an ongoing setlist and only to have it be negatively received so a quick mixout was required.
    I still play around at home with mixing,beat matching and transitions and fading in/out songs and still find myself trapped into 120-135bpm tracks when choosing what to add to the mix next.Was never a big fan of the slower goth style stuff but found those songs are pretty much expected to be played from beginning to end.

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  5. KOHL

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    Yeah i agree with whats being said.

    I dont think its nessarily not accepted as i try and incorporate as much club dj mixing as possible as long as the tracks allow.

    But i think at the end of the day as long as your keeping the good music flowing then the industrial floor can be as much of a happy monster of a more rave/clubbing orientated crowd. They want to hear the songs they know and love as well as those unheard new/old gems. So as long as your doing it for the dancefloor then i dont think they mind too much as long as its pleasant on the ears.

    @Digitalgeist: This is true. You can never have enough music but i wouldnt get too hung up about not having the tracks. You cant please everyone sadly :)

    Also worth mentioning is than a portion of the alt gigs i play are in venues with very substandard equiptment aimed at djs who don't mix (barely work) or just laptop djs so guess that makes it harder to entice new djs to try it more in the scene.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. Hooray for Industrial Human Jukeboxes.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. DX

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    If you can't mix music, don't call yourself a DJ, amirite?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. The Other Sumez

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    It always makes me shudder a little when people call me a DJ - I'm really just putting the music on for people to enjoy at parties.
    But I probably mix more than a lot of people in the scene who DO address themselves as a DJ - though I almost never beatmatch anymore due to the decline of the local scene, I don't like preparing a great set with lots of potential mixes and good room for improvising when I can't even be assured that there'll be a single person on the dance floor before I take off. I used to have a ton of notes for most of my favourite tracks that would help me pull off cool mixes - nowadays I just put randoms CD's into my flightcase without any sort of plan at all. It's sad really.

    Of course, for flyers, etc. you always write on them who is the "DJ", whether you consider it DJ'ing or not...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. DX

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    You're way too modest, Sumez. You totally rocked the decks when I visited and people were really having it on the dancefloor.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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