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Plastik Suicide
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I've just heard some brilliant demos of MS2000 so i'm pretty much sold to it :D there's lot of knobs to tweak, and it sounds and look damn good!
The lack of polyphony is actually good thing for me, because i want do more experimental stuff. if i want a huge string pad, i can do that with AN1x.
now some serious ebaying... ->
-juhani
@Plastik Suicide: just for the notes....huge string pad with an AN1X? ehm well....
Plastik Suicide
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I don't know what "huge" means for other people,
but i'm happy with the 10 note polyphony (without unison)..
soillodge
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I'm not sure how many hundred times I have to say this on the forum but-it is not the gear, it is how you use it. You can do some nice lush pads on the AN1X. You just have to know how to use it. Yade, why are you always so critical of certain synths? Just because your customers say you have to use a certain synth to be taken seriously does not make it a fact.
`michael
::I'm not sure how many hundred times I have to say this on the forum but-it is not the gear, it is how you use it.::
i have yet to find a pad on any synth i love playing more than one a friend who is an amazing synth programmer got out of my old roland D20.
Practically every synth has it's sweet spots where they make a great sound...and often a unique sound.
I'll always say, have a play, see what works for the music you want to make. If a synth inspires you to write with it, all the better.
If I had a choice out of those listed I'd list them in order of preference:
- Roland JP8080
- Waldorf microwave XT / Micro Q
- Novation SuperNova / KS rack
- Korg MS2000r
The JP is a good workhorse and it's got some great trance leads. The Waldorf, great filters, grittier sound. Novation, the SuperNova I'd prefer over the KS but the KS is pretty good. The KS is all over Everybody Hates You by Combichrist. And the Korg, it's ok, wouldn't be my personal choice but it's ok.
first I have to say that I do own all the synths described here except the K-Station and the Virus (I Use the V-Station plugs and Virus Plugs of my Powercore system for these), so I claim to have quite some experience of what they can or imho can't...
@Michael: yeah you can create some lush pads with the AN1X...but simply not huge pads...this thing is from 1998 and for some second- or support-pads very well shaped imho...also the stepsequencer with the AN1xedit Software is killer imho...I often use it as a bassline-masterkeyboard...but HUGE patterns? not today imho...back in the days this synth was very well for the actual state of technique...but in these days also whole techno tracks were made with only a Technox and a Quasar by Quasimidi...technique evolves and customers simply don't want to listen to these oldschool sounds over and over again....maybe in an industrial genre where you just squash any sound by a million FX...but in a "simple" melodic pattern based sound polyphony and OSC design matters...I know the JP8080 also "only" offers 10 note polyphony...but with its supersaw pattern (which is internally somehow added so that I can use both OSCs with supersaw) it virtually offers 14 voices and a Supernova even 20 or 48 voice polyphony...which in "huge" pads,leads and stuff simply does matter....also the AN1x was shaped to sound retro...meaning that the OSC section was designed to sound like this....whereas with for instance a JP8080 or a K-Station this was not the case (where I also would not recommend the K-Station as THE pad machine)
what I do say is that every synth (and plugin) has its strengths...and I as an artist (personal opinion here!) want to make music..to create a melodic ensemble of different sounds and rhythmic patterns....not to create a monotonous pattern and tweak my head off of 9 Tracks...and for this I rather use an instrument that fits my needs best....surely I for instance could tweak a synth to reach an "almost guitar sounding" sound..but why should I do this when I just want the guitar line in my song? I can ask a friend with guitar skills to record it for me and then focus on the arrangement, the ensemble of the tracks to form a song....
soillodge
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@Yade- I think we have to agree to disagree, because I see and have experienced things differently than you. It appears your are concerned with genre's and markets, I am not. I am a sound designer. I have spent a huge amount of time with all of these synths, reverse engineering the tones, building sounds from scratch. I do not bother with presets or buy soudpacks, I make my own sounds. I have made huge lush pads with the AN1x, hell I have even made huge pads with the MS2k-something that was reviewed as being impossible because of the polyphony. But those people must not understand the virtual patch functions. If you are smart and creative, you can get around what most consider "limitations". I know all about the JP and the supersaw as well. We had some hits as Noise Process years ago that had some exclusively designed JP sounds.
In the end, it just comes down to what you hear in your head, not what a synth can or can not do. Of course Modulate is right, every synth has it's unique sweet spots. But if there is one thing you learn when doing experimental music, if something can make a sound, you can do practically anything with it. Look at those tracks we made from just cowbell sounds ;)
`michael
Plastik Suicide
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i got a pretty good deal of KS rack locally, so i decided to get both KS and MS2000 :D
Korg is still on the way, but this KS seems pretty nice machine! very easy to use, 4 part etc. Not as warm sounding as my AN1x but seems quite powerfull tool.
@Michael: agreed :-)...I think you are more the sound-designer..I am more the composer guy :-)...
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