Electro, gothic, noise, darkwave from the Side-Line
That is the first step.
That Throbbing Gristle CD you bought just to get props from your friends is collecting dust. You might as well sell it on discogs. At least then maybe someone will appreciate it.
Then you can openly go back to your Straftanz and Lady Gaga cds with pride out of the closet.
GIGATRONIK
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YES!
Rogue Process
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That's like saying somebody doesn't like heavy metal because they're not a fan of Led Zeppelin but they really like the new album by Origin, and liked Strapping Young Lad when they were about.
Your argument doesn't make any sense.
Dead Soul
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I for one, would like to be informed when this great Throbbing Gristle sell off begins so I can pick up some bargains.
SinDelleMorte
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I don't listen to very much of it very often, to be honest. Metal is my first and true love. When I do listen to it, I usually prefer the more rock or metal-influenced stuff. Not always but usually. What I like I REALLY like though.
Seraphin
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And by Metal, Sin means Winger and White Snake :/
"Your argument doesn't make any sense."
I was not making any argument.
I always liked Cabaret Voltaire more then Throbbing Gristle. On another note: What TG was doing was basically The Mothers of Invention executed more punk and with less talent. I therefor hereby postulate that The Mothers of Invention where the forefathers of industrial. And i provide proof!
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and thats a CD i have! :D
krat, good point
I love Cabaret as well.
SinDelleMorte
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@Seraphim: I've been found out! Damn it, and I thought relentlessly playing "Here I Go Again" in the background would inspire me but it has only outed me. :(
chris2
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i think throbbing gristle is rad but i also like dance music sometimes too!! what about minimal man? my gf introduced me to them and its great!! i wish more of that kind of music was being made today.
It even gets more interesting. I even think that the roots of what later became industrial (and a lot of electronic music for that matter) are first to be found on this album:
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"Bitches brew" is musically a very intersting album because of the very heavy effects (for that time anyway) and it has been documented as the first album on which tapeloops were used and which was basically build on tapeloops and tapecuts. Much the same way we do now with samplers and computers, while they had to do it with looping fragments and cutting tapes and overdubs. Based on musique contrete obviously but the album was actually built in the studio with using the studio as an instrument. From the wiki about that album:
[quote]Bitches Brew also pioneered the application of the studio as a musical instrument, featuring stacks of edits and studio effects that were an integral part of the music. Miles and his producer, Teo Macero, used the recording studio in radical new ways, especially in the title track and the opening track, "Pharaoh's Dance". There were many special effects, like tape loops, tape delays, reverb chambers and echo effects. Through intensive tape editing, Macero concocted many totally new musical structures that were later imitated by the band in live concerts. Macero, who has a classical education and was most likely inspired by the 1930s and 1940s musique concrète experiments, used tape editing as a form of arranging and composition.
"Pharaoh's Dance" contains 19 edits – its famous stop-start opening is entirely constructed in the studio, using repeat loops of certain sections. Later on in the track there are several micro-edits: for example, a one-second-long fragment that first appears at 8:39 is repeated five times between 8:54 and 8:59. The title track contains 15 edits, again with several short tape loops of, in this case, five seconds (at 3:01, 3:07 and 3:12). Therefore, Bitches Brew not only became a controversial classic of musical innovation, it also became renowned for its pioneering use of studio technology.[4][/quote]
And it;s a great album. This one is probably in my top 10 best records ever.
chris2
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i dont think you can directly tie miles davis to anything that has ever labeled itself as industrial in terms of a progression of styles into one another, but theres a lot of examples of music and bands that existed pre TG that you can claim laid groundwork for even the idea that anything avant garde at all could be considered music.
i think CAN sounds like it could have directly influenced what would be later described as industrial
chris2
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oh! im gonna post a video cause you can do that now on sideline -
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Seraphin
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Ive always considered CAN like a pre-cursor to industrial. They were doing that stuff so early on!
Well, aside from the sound what also made Industrial music is the cold harsh punk aesthetics and themes. It was more than the music, more like a movement.
Also the music theory and structure behind jazz is far too organized and actually pretty complex I think to have influenced Industrial, though the instruments and sounds are probably related.
The Other Sumez
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djkrat, did you ever see TG play live?
xeno
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I listen to a lot of music that I don't like, mostly to expand my horizon. Most of the stuff I love now is stuff that I didn't like on first listen.
My first thoughts about Throbbing Gristle was "wth is this boring crap?", but it's pulled itself up to being listenable, and I guess in a while I will classify it as almost pop music...
Right now, I sometimes listen to A.E. Wolf Eyes - have to admit that I rarely make it through a full album without getting tired of it and happily swap to something else - but I guess in some years that too will be mainstream pop...
my main fears in this are that I:
1. will run out of weird music to get accustomed to. I already feel I'm starting to reach the bottom of that well...
2. will get a music taste that is too weird, and one day I'm listening to an old lady kicking an oil barrel while forcefully bathing a cat, and think "this is so unoriginal, couldn't she at least have used a badger?"
(I could always start to try to get accustomed to jazz, but honestly, no way in hell...)
Sumez: Never. Though recent movies i saw looked very boring to me. Maybe it was fun when you went to see them in the 77-81 peroid. I did see Psychic TV once (very nice) and Coil twice (boring as fuck). I hope that counts as well! :)
I like jazz. I have a reasonable collection here. It's early influence on industrial is indeed not the music, but the use of atmosphere and effects. The avarage jazzmusician beats every industrial musician with miles to spare. But i find it to be very interesting music. Problem is that a lot of people think jazz equals dixieland (thats horrible indeed) or bebop (acquired taste i fully admit) but especially in fusion and jazzrock there a quite some gems to find. This Jazzband might be likeble to a lot here:
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