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awesomecakes
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I'm going to start building an electronic drumkit soon, and was wondering if anyone knows of any drum modules that let you put in your own samples, eg, if I wanted to use a kick from vengeance essential clubsounds I could put that sample in the module and use it.
I don't know whether these types of modules even exist, but figured I'd ask in case someone knew of one.
Oh and cheaper is better of course, I'm trying to make this as cheap as possible without it being total shit ;)
hm, i believe akai s900 or s950 samplers have trigger ins, they are reasonably cheap, have individual outs and analog filters. another thing you could do is buy a drum brain (alesis d4 is cheap) and use it to convert triggers to midi, which you would then route to the cheapest sampler you can find on the ebay (my recommendation is e-mu esi 32 - dirt cheap, GREAT sound)
I had a SPD-S from Roland a few years ago. It´s a nice all in one for stage. You get a sampler with triggerpads and effects in a good quality.
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Been down that road and done the research, there aren'y any electronic drum modules which allow you to do this...I eventually had to run te drum module's I've used as MIDI out to a sampler to use my own sounds which in this case was a Roland SPD-S.
However, if you don't mind using a laptop you can always grab the Alesis Trigger I/O which has a USB out connection which you can plug into a DAW and then run your drum synth/sampler of choice. I do this live with Grendel and it works like a charm.
Weld together some weird looking stuff, then tape some piezo mics to it, take an alesis Trigger or old AKAI or so and run it into a Korg Electribe ES-1
depending on what you take as materials, this should cost around 400-500$ for the whole Drumset
here some pics of my JATG Drumset..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57373739@N08/5280019825/
A drum module should correctly be called a trigger module, because its job is to receive electrical impulses from triggers located on the drum pads and electronic cymbals.i don't have any advice to give but just wanted to wish you luck for your
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awesomecakes
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Thanks for the help everyone.
@M4RC: I'm thinking midi will be the way to go. So now I just want to try and find a cheap module with some decent enough built in sounds for when I'm just messing around, and then I can use the midi out for recording and playing live
@YADE: Very... interesting looking setup haha. But the idea of just welding random stuff together is helpful, because I was wondering what I was going to do for a rack to put the drums on. Actual racks are rather expensive, so I may do something similar to your kit
marsofcrowdkontrol
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I have been here and done this for live. This is what I suggest for minimal tech issues and success:
Use a drum module to trigger via midi a sampler. So we use a couple of Alesis DM5 or Pro drum modules that have cheesy sounds on them, connect midi to a Roland SP 404 sampler that has the custom made drums that we put on the actual album. Hook the audio to the sample of coarse, and not to the drum module. That way we can use a drum kit rather than just a square set of pads like the SPD.
Our drums are always mangled or changed in some way, so we would never be able to use a traditional drum kit loaded on hardware and get the same feel as our recorded songs.
marsofcrowdkontrol
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and forgot to mention, you won't have to deal with a laptop...which I don't like to have drum sticks near anways. And saves on boot up time. Though I would love to have Battery running and have thought about using a mac mini with a tiny screen and audio interface and....well it just get's to be too much I think.
awesomecakes
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marsofcrowdkontrol, thanks for the info. I think I'll look into this, because having fewer computers on stage seems like a better thing to me, seeing as both our synths will be going through computers most of the time and I would need to go and buy a laptop to use with the drums, seeing as the only other ones anyone in the band has are being used for synth already. But anyway I'll look at all my options and see what works out cheapest
marsofcrowdkontrol
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Sure thing. We had to read the manuals (ugh) on the Alesis units to see which trigger equated to a midi note, then match it on the sampler. But once you do that, you are golden.
Good luck.
eddiethreat
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we've used a number of different options in our line up over the years. scott would probably be a lil better to explain some of it, but we've used a roland TD-7 kit ( we broke this ) and an alesis D4 ( we broke that too ), and lately have been using the alesis I/0 with triggers on a real kit. we've tried a few different brands of triggers, its really hard to get it right especially if you do double bass. we ended up stuffing the kick solid with pillows and blankets, to keep from double triggering, but still keep sensitivity where its needed especially for fast double bass. I just picked up another alesis D4 to replace the one we broke, and i got this cool rack with mesh head pads, but we are using that just for scott to practice with at home in his condo. what am i forgetting? ... oh yeah, we use battery 3 for the alesis i/0. we were using an akai S1000 and before that an EMUs3000 i think. we go through alot of gear. its a weird gear hoarding problem and without clinical help just stuck with electronic music gear falling out of every shelf, desk, drawer, and orifice.
eddiethreat
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this video ( its a short clip ) you can hear the kick really well, but it doesnt sound organic at all, but i guess thats okay. This is a real kit, with a trigger taped to the kick drumhead, and running to an alesis D4.
the alesis d4 got broken this night, AFTER the show. when we were cleaning up the ONE CORD running into the alesis got stepped on and the tension snapped the piece off the board inside there. im gonna try to get another part and solder it in, but its probably done.
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heres the same set up, with trigger to alesis d4
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in the front isnt for the drums, that korgpadkontrol im tapping on is to trigger the movie samples in battery3 on the laptop.
keyboards are seperate, they are on an alesis ion
eddiethreat
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WHOA, THE VIDEOS POSTED? side-line has changed in my time away. i thought it would just be the links. thats neat
awesomecakes
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Fucking auto refresh. Wrote like a whole essay here and then the page refreshed on me ><
Anyway, the main bit of it was:
Does battery (or any other software, preferably something free) allow you to import your own samples and assign each one to a specified midi note? At the moment the only sampler plugins I have only let you load one sample for each instance of the plugin (so, one sample for each track really) so what I'm after is one that will let me load a whole kit, and then assign each sample to the correct midi note, so that the whole kit is on one plugin, on one channel, and then I can just take a midi out from whatever brain I use or from the trigger i/o or whatever, and run it into a midi channel on my DAW. So say for example midi note x is the snare in the drum brain, I assign my snare sample in the plugin to midi note x. Then if midi note y is kick on the drum brain, I assign midi note y to my kick sample on the plugin, etc. Then it will all simply run in one channel and be an easy setup,
midi out from drum brain > midi in on mixer > computer > channel 1 on DAW with the plugin loaded
This is if I go the computer route, which is looking cheaper atm.
i use a yamaha dtxpress III drum kit which i hook directly up to my audio/midi interface [e-mu 1616m] via midi which is then routed into sonar and mapped to battery 3. i thought i was going to have a problem mapping all the appropriate sounds to the right pads on the kit, but they were already perfectly assigned and ready to rock. however, you can customize your own kits in battery 3, same with a host of different drum vsti's. i also tried mapping the kit to various other vsti's with success, but some others required a bit more tweaking and customization to adapt to the kit's correct pads, but ya, i think triggering it from a midi pad module then mapping to your daw is the most cost effective solution [i.e. cutting out having to buy a sampler] but you're trading having to set up sometimes fussy computer/midi configurations and in live situations in a crunch, this can sometimes be painful, heh :)
eddiethreat
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@xon - yamaha dtxpress iii was awesome. the drummer in one of the bands i was in had it and i loved playing it.
@awesome cakes - Battery 3 has a learn function. you load all your samples into the squares. then click on 'learn' and bang on whatever pad you want to trigger that sound. and it assigns it to that. then after youre done, save them all.
i wouldn't use the daw unless i was recording. its a horrible idea to use a daw live. just use battery3. if you are going to record into a daw, then i would pony up the money and buy Superior Drummer. Superior Drummer fucking PWNS EVERYTHING.
awesomecakes
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Ahh right, Battery would run standalone haha, silly me. And yeah if I had the money I'd go for superior drummer, it sounds amazing.
But yes this way looks like it may be a bit cheaper than buying a sampler, especially because I know someone who's getting rid of a macbook that's only a few years old, so I'll get it for next to nothing, get battery, get a cheap module with a midi out and viola! Drums :D
Thank you everyone for the help, it's much appreciated
Virtual Drum Electro Pro
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Hi awesomecakes I agree Battery is a good drum module sampler but it is rather expensive. I have just created a drum module that has 20 channels and allows you to load in your own samples. It works as both a standalone instrument and also has rewire capabilities. Their are a range of effects in it including Reverb, delay, compression and even has a granular synthesis stage (a method used by artists such as aphex twin and autechre.
Here is a link to a video of the granular stage
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