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Does anyone know much about the ZX Spectrum +2?

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  1. Ornox

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    An aquaintence has offered to sell me a cheap ZX Spectrum +2, which I am going to buy because I would like to make some authentic chiptune textures.

    The huge catch is that i don't know the slightest about old computers. I am a young man, and the oldest thing I've experienced is Windows 95. i also know very little about hardware. So I have many questions.

    Basically, I would like to be able to utilise the machine like a synth. Whether that means sending MIDI to it or using an internal sequencer, as long as I can get some nice sounds out of it.

    Can someone get me started on te basics? Will the machine alone come with all I need to start making music?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Cult of the Bleeding Toe

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    get an amiga and become the next f/a/v

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Ornox

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    bumped

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. dogmeat

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    hm, i don't know if you can do anything with spectrum, except sample games. i read an article about aphex twin winning some prize at a gaming magazine as a kid, because he programmed some music generating program, but he done it in assembler as far as i remember and that is not the way to go. way too hard, and way too little to achieve by doing this
    better, and out of the box thing is to buy an old commodore 64, it has the venerable SID chip inside (designed by the guy who later founded the ensoniq) which is a synth all in itself. and when you buy that, buy this for 50 euros
    http://www.8bitventures.com/mssiah/
    it is a c64 cartridge which comes loaded with a drum-machine, mono synth, sampler and sequencer software. synth, drum machine and sampler utilize sid's ability to sound awesome :) AND it has an integrated midi in port, so you can play it from your DAW.
    there are other possibilities, you could sell your kidney to buy elektron's sidstation, or learn to solder, and then painstakingly source sid chips and other components with ucapps.de kit, and then machine the enclosure, but that is hard, expensive and unnecessary when you could do all that for a lot less (time AND money). there is also the vst option, i think reFX (vanguard guys) are making some emulation plug-in, but that ain't tr00.
    but, remember this, and remember it well, NEVER, under any circumstances, make ANYTHING cheerful and happy and colorful with it, it will just make you into a createdigitalmusic hipster, and you don't want to be that guy...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. Ornox

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    i promise, nothing sheerful and happy. I would use it for lonely reverbed blips and big churning basslines.

    plus everything i do is in minor. and when i say minor, I means gothic opera about shipwrecks minor.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. dogmeat

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    oh you mean minor as in: "there is a pale girl on the beach, it is late fall, and she stares to the sea, to the void, the wind blows her raven black hair and her white ballroom dress, her corsage is although untouched, and all you can see moving are small droplets of blood that slowly stream from her wrists to the thirsty sand"?????? you play it all on the black keys? then it is ok, but please do not do anything in a minor that is of bulgakov's variety...however nice and acceptable people at 4chan would have you believe

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Ornox

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    i don't quite understand what you mean about 4chan and bulgakov.

    however, i am less about "quiet suicide, bleak ocean in background" minor, and more about "fighting a giant skeleton hawk in a thunderstorm to avenge my beloved" minor.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. dogmeat

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    bulgakov, writer of the novel "lolita",
    4chan a hub of perverts who usually condone and advocate "lolita" preferences.

    it was all play on the word minor, but now...you ruined it :(

    :)

    ps skeleton hawk fighting is strictly reserved for manowar, so unlees you are clad in leather vest, and ripping with oily bulging man-loving muscles, stop it :)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Modulate

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    I used to use them quite a bit but a Spectrum?! Really not known for their sound qualities...the 128 and +2 did introduce a 3 channel sound chip but it was always considered inferior to the SID chip found in the C64.

    Will the machine come with everything you need? No. You'll have to find some software for it. And iirc it needs a separate MIDI interface as it only has MIDI out built in. With the +2 as well, I can't remember if it even has external tape inputs as the earlier models did, limiting you to loading software from the internal tape deck via tapes...and these things are going to be 25 years old now. Even new tapes are notoriously unreliable and you could frequently find that you would have to load a piece of software 4-5 times to get it to work, at 2-4 minutes a program, that wasn't much fun. With external tape inputs at least you can load software from a PC soundcard ensuring a quality signal.

    In short, it's going to be hard work getting a +2 to work as a sound source over MIDI. It's not impossible but it's going to take a particular type of masochism to do it!

    http://truechiptilldeath.com/blog/2010/07/09/midi-interface-for-the-zx-spectrum/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Modulate

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    If you want to have a listen, try downloading the emulator here. http://bulba.untergrund.net/main_e.htm

    This will play some of the old chip tunes on the site.

    Alternatively the Plogue Chipsound VST is much easier.

    http://www.plogue.com/?page_id=43

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Ornox

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    yeah, you're all right. this thing is going to cost me more than its worth at the end of the day.

    the dude is going to sell it to me for about $20, so maybe I'll get it for the sake of it.

    I really just want to mod my gameboy colour, because I actually like the soundtracks from that. Nice sounds come out of that little box.

    dogmeat, I'm sorry my unworldliness ruined your clever pun. also, I look amazing in leather vest for your information.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. Modulate

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    It'd be really cool and if it was easy to do certainly worth doing, but on the Spectrum +2 it's really not an easy job.

    The Atari ST on the other hand has the same sound chip ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Instrument_AY-3-8910 ) and built in MIDI ports so for that sound definitely the better option.

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, and I gave mine to a charity shop a few years ago! DOH. Though tbh I think half the fun is making the old machines bend to your will, when it comes down to it, the quality of emulation now is so good if I want chip sounds I'd use a VST. The latest version of the Plogue sounds amazing, just tried the demo. It is bang on the money. I'm sure somebody will comment on the filter not sounding exactly like their old machine or something but they all sounded different anyway from machine to machine. It's close enough for me.

    I have an old Gameboy...kinda tempted to hook it up.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. YADE

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    I'd rather buy a used C64 off ebay for around 40$ and buy a MIDI cartridge for it..costs about 50$ extra but offers to MIDIfy the SID chips inside :-)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. Night_Suit

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  15. dogmeat

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    night suit, you shamed me. i'm a retard, i know...the whole time i referenced bulgakov i thought of nabokov :(

    Posted 1 year ago #

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