DJ's make crappy musicians
DJs make crappy musicians when they write music for other DJs.
(I might just be arguing with you however because I consider myself a DJ first and an electronic musician a distant second.)
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Do musicians make crappy Dj's?
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Jairus Khan
offlineMemberPosted 1 year ago # -
heretic909
offlineMemberI agree with Michael, you can't make a blanket statement either way. Some are decent, some not so much. I used to DJ gabba/hardcore during the same time period I was playing guitar in a shock rock band. And in the 90s I was DJing acid breaks during the same time I was playing bass guitar and keyboards in an industrial band.
And I agree with Jairus, there's no need to bring out your good copies of albums to DJ with. Besides the fact, after I made the switch from DJing with vinyl to using cds, I typically would edit most of the tracks I'd play in SoundForge before burning them to cd to take out to spin.
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yeah. the laptop DJ = thief with "hacked" and stolen mp3s thread again...
I DJ from a laptop because it's easier for me. The stuff I normally play only comes out on vinyls, since there's no way of me spending tons of money decent turntables, I buy the mp3s from emusic or beatport and DJ from traktor. simple as that.
as for earning money from pirated mp3 <- that I agree. it's lame.
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DJing from a laptop makes sense if you've got like an 8hr set. But for a 60-90min set, it makes you look like you are playing live. Which is then confusing when you *do* play live with a laptop...
I think I'm a good DJ. Except when I play on Denons or after half a dozen beers :(
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I bought a good enough Turntable more than 10 years ago. It´s still good enough.
Bought a soundcard and Wavelab: can burn all vinyl on CD - no problemPosted 1 year ago # -
hmm... I always had the opposite. when I played live people thought I was DJing lol. thankfully now I play with a drummer ;)
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x-noize
offlineMemberive always had zero respect for cdr djs.i have always brought my originals to the club i buy all my music,now i can also understand people who would rather rip their music and just bring the cdr and keep the original at home,much respect for them atleast they bought the music! but honestly i would rather spin with the original cd theirs just something about using cdrs that i hate the quality just isn't there..
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heretic909
offlineMember@x-noize
I've lost a ton of cds when I've been out DJing in the past couple decades. My fault for getting wasted after my set and not looking after my shit.
But also, I've always hated the wheel on cd decks, as far as cueing up to a certain point, unlike vinyl where a lot of the time you can visually see on the record somewhere around where the beat comes in and start spinning the record forward from that point.
Once I started using cds, not all albums were mastered the same way. So I'd rip the track I wanted into SoundForge, then eq and normalize most of my tracks. Then I'd also "trim the fat" so to speak, getting rid of ambient intros and whatnot and cut it at the first hit of the first beat. Sometimes I'd also add extra vocals or sounds from other tracks into the track I've edited. And then when I take it out, I can just hit play and focus more on beatmatching the tracks together as well as using eq sweeps and toggle cuts, instead of using the wheel to scroll to the point in the track where I wanted to start mixing from.
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Never had any problems with that. I use pioneer CDJ1000's (Have a set at home) and in the Netherlands those are pretty standard in almost every club. You can see on the display where the beat kicks in because it shows the waveform.
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Wumpscut used to be a DJ right?
Seriously though, I have no venom for digital DJ's as long as their library is legal. It's all about your style and workflow.
I do however think any DJ pumping mp3's through the speakers is doing a disservice. There is no reason not to go full quality. Especially on a high dollar, high juice system.
My production is bad enough. Don't make it worse guys. Ha ha...
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DJ SkinEBM Productions
offlineMemberto add to this....
alot of musicians i have talked with or interviewed for that matter in the past often express that they do not listen or follow the same music style they write, heck some folks are so off the beaten path of the club music circuit it is like they promote their friends in the scene when they dj as they dont have much of a music collection to begin with!
but yeah i concur, it is pretty lame if paid djs use pirated mp3 files to dj with, not to mentiond the sound quality of mp3 is not good, poor resolution and mastering issues in sound quality.
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Sumez
offlineHuge memberheretic909
I used to DJ gabba/hardcore during the same time period I was playing guitar in a shock rock band. And in the 90s I was DJing acid breaks during the same time I was playing bass guitar and keyboards in an industrial band.Awesome! You just went up one notch in my book :P
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DJ'ing on spacecake: NOT A GOOD IDEA
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I DJ with ableton live (payed cope no lame stolen shit), its no so far away from the CD DJs. i just have my library with the Music i got at home. all my original CDs riped to my PC. couse i just listen through my Soundcard and Speakers, 99% are MP3.s with 320 kbs and alot of promos or demos i got from Bands. I get just payed for Travel Costs most of the time. but its alot of fun. i Just get little money for my effort at my own partys. Its alot of fun, meet all the ppl and Musicans. so why i want to get rich? i have a day job to get food and a flat^^ what i want more? ;)
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@ Jairus Khan
not trying to flame you or anything, a legit question on my end
but what would be the difference in what you described as in I burn all the songs I like from an artist into one cd-r ,"F" carrying a dozen cds of the same artist.So wouldn't it just be easier to straight up just burn your set for the night, hit play and go have some drinks? Also what if someone requests a different song that you might not have burned for the night?
Eh I used to hit up a ton of different clubs back in the day, as common courtesy to the local crew I would only bring original cd's so their regular dj's didn't think i was some douche (i'm sure they did anyway and actually I don't even know why I cared what they thought). Back at the usual club I'd bust out cd'rs cause honestly nobody cared what the booklet looked like.
Anyway this is the type of subject that only DJ's or Mixers would care about cause honestly club goers could give a shit how Dead Stars is being played has long as its being played.
:pIn conclusion DJ's are some of the most awful ppl I've ever met.
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Bill Gates
offlineMember"DJing from a laptop makes sense if you've got like an 8hr set. But for a 60-90min set, it makes you look like you are playing live. Which is then confusing when you *do* play live with a laptop..."
Laptops are the knife in the heart of live industrial music. No one has the guts to play like EN used to any more.
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you mean banging on shit out of tempo? i make lots of stuff that sounds like that.
i've met some cool people that are DJs. the person part of em I like, fuck the DJ part.
really. fuck DJs.
zomg! you're DJing from a laptop? fail!
zomg! you're DJing from burnt cdrs? fail!
its funny to see the DJs get worked up about this...
and then there are the DJ's with the milk crates upon milk crates overflowing with vinyl... yeah these guys.. they laugh at your real deal CDs and scorn the laptop jockey's even harder
i guess its just a case of someone trying to make themselves feel better than others
which is why is say fuck all DJs, they're making me ill
why all the DJ loathing? its the sense of accomplishment and worth that they walk around with for playing other peoples music
DJs aren't rock start
leave it to America to take something cool and fuck it up. the early rave scene before it crossed the pond and its initial beginnings in the states were good. raves were about the shared experience with the people there.. the DJ was of little concern
it didn't take long for the rave scene to take on an american aspect though. raves were no longer free to enter.. they were more expensive than concerts with actual musicians... no longer where they about the shared experience.. it was about glorifying the DJ, scoring dope, and hooking up.
my opinions are often ill formed due to lack of facts. i'm sure there are some DJ's that know how to play a song better than the musician that wrote it.. and hell... they can always sweep the fuck out of the mids if all else fails
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Jairus Khan
offlineMembernot trying to flame you or anything, a legit question on my end
but what would be the difference in what you described as in I burn all the songs I like from an artist into one cd-r ,"F" carrying a dozen cds of the same artist.So wouldn't it just be easier to straight up just burn your set for the night, hit play and go have some drinks? Also what if someone requests a different song that you might not have burned for the night?
If you burn your set in advance you're not DJing. I don't have a playlist, I play whatever fits with what the crowd is moving to, what requests are being made, the flow of the night, etc. I might play two hours of aggro-industrial or none at all, depending on how people react.
I bring with me, every week when I go DJ, about 600 CDs. 400 of them in CD binders and 200 of them in carrying cases (with jewel cases intact). There is no reason why Track 10 from Skinny Puppy should take up an entire CD slot. The same with that Project Pitchfork single with only one track that isn't godawful, or a totally club-unfriendly comp with one good track. Or something like Further Down The Spiral, which has different versions of the release that only have two or three different songs.
The more tracks I can cram into less space, the more music I can bring with me, which means I'm more likely to be able to play your request, not less; and if you're requesting something that I didn't bother to burn, then it's something I wouldn't have played for you anyway if you asked and I did have it.
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Jairus Khan
offlineMember...I should mention that for every CD I bring to the club, there's about three that I leave at home, just because I can't carry 2000 CDs to the club every week. Plus, I have crates upon crates of vinyl that have never been re-released on CD, which I rip and burn to CDr, because most clubs don't have 1200s anymore.
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heretic909
offlineMember"which I rip and burn to CDr, because most clubs don't have 1200s anymore."
That's what I noticed when I first moved to NYC, was that few of the clubs I played at had any turntables, so I'd have to burn my vinyl to disc. Or if they did have turntables, sometimes the other DJs would ask if they could use my needles, which wouldn't bother me too much except sometimes one of them would start scratching which would annoy me. Scratch with your own needles.
"If you burn your set in advance you're not DJing."
My first residency in NYC was DJing five hours every Friday night from 11pm to 4am, so I'd make these little twenty minute mixes every so often so I could put one of those on when I needed to hit the bathroom and grab some drinks at the bar. Otherwise, yeah, your mix should react with the flow of the night.
"If you're going to a club for musical revelations then you're a sorry sorry sack indeed."
This I don't agree with. I used to constantly have people coming up and asking what certain songs I played were. I'd be trying to mix while they'd be asking "How do you spell that again?" or asking if I had a pen so they could write it down. Which was fine for the most part. I was happy to introduce them to new music.
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