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★dependent blocks mind.in.a.box. dvd

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  • Started 1 year ago by 21st Century Jesus
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  1. hey all

    i recorded the miab berlin show last year with 17 cameras as they were supporting my favourite band front line assembly on that tour, which we also recorded. lately i made a demo video from the miab recordings, and the band said that its easily their best video to date. so i thought 'hey thats cool, i could also film the miab show on amphi festival 2011 and then release both shows on dvd'. then i approached stefan herwig and asked him how much money he would ask for to give us the rights to release the song material. miab have left dependent recently, but the label holds the rights to the backcatalogue. stefan refused to work with me at all and didnt even have a proper conversation.

    he bases this on 'my' stunt regarding the FLA promo video for Angriff that i produced last year. the video was made from amphi festival live recordings professionally filmed with a +10.000eur recording setup, world war 2 footage, and extra footage recorded by me. production cost me 10-14 days. i had ca 30 email and 10 phone conversations with stefan herwig between july and october, all regarding the video and improving it. i wasnt interested in receiving a professional payment, which wouldve been about 1500eur for such work... however he said that he would be okay with paying 300-400eur for the world war 2 footage alone if necessary. based on that i calculated 300-400eur for the entire video. after the video was released late october with good critical response, i asked him to pay me, and he said 'wtf i never agreed to paying any money for this'. after a few enjoyable weeks he finally changed his mind and transferred it.

    at this point of time it seems he is still very pissed off about my behaviour. but should that concern mind.in.a.box? i am very very sceptical if he should use his authority in order to decide what the band is supposed to do after leaving his record label. stefan posted the following reasons to explain why HE has decided to make a miab dvd impossible:

    - I was not too excited by MIABs live performance. It was ambitious, yet flawed in more than one way. I dont think the world needs a MIAB DVD right now anyway. I think the bands needs to get much better live, before a DVD should be produced.
    - Whoever produces the DVD it should not be you. I will not work with you ever again, as you are idealistic, yet, utterly business incompatible and utterly clueless when it comes to the nateure of a business collaboration.

    wait, is this person stefan herwig, chief of miabs ex record company? by reading those reasons i tend to ask myself if he is the bandboss/manager of miab. he tells me and the band that their live performance isnt good enough, and he advices the band not to work with me. i wonder if he also tells the band what underwear they are allowed to wear in the tourbus.

    i'm not expecting any income from releasing a miab dvd, and i didnt expect more than a very basic coverage of cost for the angriff clip. i'm doing this, like stefan said, in a rather idealistic approach.

    dependent records doesnt seem to be very idealistic. i cant really believe how relentless stefan is celebrating his animosity towards my person and puts it higher than business. and i find it annoying that he blocks a miab dvd while the band and he have parted ways anyways.

    by sharing this experience in business i would like to warn the bands and artists in this scene. by signing to dependent records you put your band and your music in the hands of someone whose ego is more important than your band and your music. be careful.

    cheers
    henrik bauer

    links:
    http://www.henrikbauer.com
    (closed) thread on dependent forum: http://forum.dependent.de/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2038&start=15
    angriff promo clip:

    [+] Embed the videoGet the Video Plugins

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. dodd

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    TACOS!

    And why exactly should this be a public matter (other than for drama, of course)?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. do you think that bad business behaviour should be kept a secret, so other people have bigger chanches to enjoy it as well?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Wait... what?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. crispy

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    Oh, here we go. I predict 65 comments, the return of Haywire, and thread closed by the end of the weekend.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. "I predict 65 comments, the return of Haywire, and thread closed by the end of the weekend."

    Just like the good ol' days eh? I can't wait :D

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. What Would Jesus Do?

    Seriously, I'll just wait patiently for Stefan to show up here. He is always good at coming on this forum to fight his own battles.

    For the record though, I do believe he is still the bands manager. He also manages Seabound if I am not mistaken.

    `michael

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. crispy

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    He said his piece on the Dependent forum and closed the thread... so I don't know if he'll want to drag this out any further over here. BTW, he said that he and miab didn't get along on a personal level... no idea if he manages the band though.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. dodd

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    TACOS!

    do you think that bad business behaviour should be kept a secret, so other people have bigger chanches to enjoy it as well?

    My point was that this is between you and him and should be kept as such.

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  10. "no idea if he manages the band though."
    idea. he doesnt.

    "He is always good at coming on this forum to fight his own battles."
    like he did on his own forum where he closed the thread after explaining that the bands live gigs suck and declared that they must not work with me? looking foward to that.

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  11. My point was that this is between you and him and should be kept as such.

    well, he didnt even bother talking to me. i got my promo clip paid after i posted such a thread in his forum, so i figured from there.

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  12. "idea. he doesnt."

    Because snark is a sure-fire way to get people round here on your side.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. "Because snark is a sure-fire way to get people round here on your side."

    i answered the question. dunno what you wouldve wanted instead? yes i kept it short...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. crispy

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    LOL! He did not say that miab's live show sucked. He said in a very professional and delicate manner that they needed to get better before producing a live DVD.

    And you know what, he's probably right considering they've barely done any shows... not to mention, the Youtube clips I've seen show they aren't very dynamic stage performers yet. (and I say that being their #1 superfan... ahhh, yeh)

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  15. 'LOL! He did not say that miab's live show sucked. He said in a very professional and delicate manner that they needed to get better before producing a live DVD.'

    you are correct. i just dont understand why he feels obliged to judge that at all.

    'And you know what, he's probably right considering they've barely done any shows... not to mention, the Youtube clips I've seen show they are very dynamic stage performers yet. (and I say that being their #1 superfan... ahhh, yeh)'

    but we are very dynamic camera operators, and theres a lot of visuals and equipment on stage to film. plus 2 guitar cameras. the yt clips out there so far are all 1-camera-recordings. the band saw the clips and liked them a lot, i might post a demo soon.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. If the issue is not about money, just put it together and give it to the band. Let them fight with Stefan on the licensing.

    Considering the Dependent track record, I would say if Stefan thinks something is not good and or ready, it is just exactly that. He is one of the few in this scene that actually knows or cares anything about quality control.

    `michael

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. crispy

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    Post the demo.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. "If the issue is not about money, just put it together and give it to the band. Let them fight with Stefan on the licensing."

    the band has left dependent and is not interested in negotiating anything with stefan. i'm doing that myself because its part of a producers job. i'd also be the one doing the creative work on this, so its cool for me in general.

    "Considering the Dependent track record, I would say if Stefan thinks something is not good and or ready, it is just exactly that. He is one of the few in this scene that actually knows or cares anything about quality control."

    stefan found my angriff clip well done, and none of his opinions posted so far had any reference to the demo videoclip. i dont believe this is about the product anyways, stefan refused negotiations immediately based on my person.

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  19. "Post the demo."
    processing, please wait.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. oh well.

    time to pick up your skirt and move on.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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