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  • Started 1 year ago by Tsarik
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  1. if you want better remix stems to work with i can re-do em and upload them again. i'd like you to show me what you're talking about. i think i understand it and will try to do it on my end as well. thanks for the tips! how should i go about learning better song structure?

    i wasn't aware i had any chords in there... unless 2 or more instruments making diff notes at the same time can make chords... but the way some notes sound better after others is something i'd like to learn about as well. i guess it means i'd have to get a music theory book and i have a hard enough time reading the manuals for my gear

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. It's ok man, I did it. I am sending it to you right now on Soundcloud. Another thing I noticed during remixing that actually ended up being a happy accident. Not all your WAVs are the same bit rate. Some were 44.1 and some were 48. Thus being when I rendered the whole thing to a song in Cubase it changed the pitch of your bassline-which I actually like even more. It totally drop-tuned the song, so I was inspired to throw in some creepy samples and I played some synth hits on Reaktor.

    http://soundcloud.com/soillodge/rustcreep-richochet-heart-of-darkness

    Also I found out what you meant by it not being exact, or precise. Originally I had though to just cut up your drum sounds in Wavelab and then make a drum kit in Battery out of them. Except when I did this, the track sounded off. It really only worked with your original percussion, so I just retooled that with a compressor and some reverb and delay. Now there is a decent kick to drag a long this track. I also brought up the tip-tap sound because I love it and a shortened the song a bit to make it progress better [IMO]. Hope you enjoy it, and that I did not fuck up your idea too much. :D

    `michael

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  3. " wasn't aware i had any chords in there... unless 2 or more instruments making diff notes at the same time can make chords... but the way some notes sound better after others is something i'd like to learn about as well."

    Your right of course, I think I got the terminology wrong- I know nothing of music theory, everything I know I taught myself and I play by ear. What I meant is the note progression. A good note progression will often translate into a chord. Meaning playing them separately, or altogether will result in a pleasing tone. Check this site and test it out on your own: http://www.8notes.com/piano_chord_chart/

    I never had help like this...heh. I had to go through trial and error until I found which keys sounded good together. My only reference was playing guitar when I was a teen. My dad taught me a couple major chords and I took those and improvised. So I would suggest the same. Take some chords from that site and see how they fit in your own aural pallet. See what happens when you add new notes, or subtract notes. And then try to use them in some type of progression.

    You are really coming along though! That bass drone progression is SICK :D

    `michael

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. thx!

    i really appreciate the direction. i much prefer just working things my way and getting pointers from others who have a sound i like than studying a bunch of theory. thx for the chord chard, i needed to learn some for pads and what not and now that i know that chords can be split up and those notes will sound good when sequenced I'll try some of that too.

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  5. Your welcome man, I look forward to hearing more experiments and ideas from you.

    `michael

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. the sound design aspect is still infinitely more fun. so if you have any banging bass lines hit me with the midi for em and i'll run em through the FRXS and probably add some chorus from the eclipse. i'd just like to do this for fun because i like designing sounds and I could probably learn from some cool sequences.. maybe i can figure out how to program the sequence from provision, that would sound killer through the XS.

    do you guys have any favorite time signatures besides 4/4?

    i played some shit on the keys the other day and recorded the midi into reaper.. i then spent a while adjusting the bpm and timing of the notes to get close to what I played.. i couldn't make it fit no matter what kind of jerry rigging i tried.. then i started messing with the time signature.. i put in all kinds of random crap like 11/10, etc... then i put in 6/8 and moved things around and it fit and played back like i played it in, just with rock solid timing. i then wanted to experiment with the timing a little more and tried 3/4 and that worked too.

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  7. I often write my sequences in odd time sigs, but I still keep my basic song signature at 4/4 because it makes it easier to work in back and forth. I also write my songs in double the BPM. Cool trick when you have a slow groove that want to blast into insanity within certain parts. Also some synths and drum sounds, when you roll 16ths at double the tempo sound fucking sick. Especially if you have auto panning or some type of oscillator or envelope follower involved.

    Hey, I could put together some bass sequences for you to work with. Don't know if they would be good, but i'll give them you anyhow.

    `michael

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  8. OK man, new piece on our FTP for you to mess with. Drums and bassline.

    http://www.subspine.org/forum/topic/paranoia-130bpm

    `michael

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    That 8notes website is very helpful. I too know jack about music theory and often use chords when I need a melody.

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  10. the sequence in paranoia is killer. the loop i uploaded is a bass patch on the XS going through dual compressors on the eclipse. i then used soundforge's compression on it. maybe a little too much compression but none of it was side-chained :P so thats something.

    i'm going to run the patch i did on the XS through some different FX like just some chorus and other things that i find work well with bass

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  11. Oh yeah! That sounds killer, especially at 30sec when you focus the bassline and intro the drums. Another thing, adjust the release during the zipper roll part so that is sounds a bit choppier, and then bring it back during the other part so it stays full and heavy. Punch this out for a few more measures and upload them stems again. I'll throw some pads and vocals on it :P

    `michael

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  12. haven't figured a way to adjust the release unless i manually turn it down durring the zipper part.. the XS's accent envelopes don't have a release setting for the filter. i could be missing something though and there may be a way to actually get it to do what you want.

    a question on your bassline sequence though, Michael. i was looking at the sequence and if I had written it.. it would look like this http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee156/Tarsick/sequence.png

    the last three notes in my version are the first three in yours. did you maybe write it the way I've layed it out and then you shifted everything to the left, wrapping the notes that were at the begging around to the end?

    if you intentionally shifted everything... why? i only ask because i feel that the way I would've arranged the sequence looks right... but yours(the clip i uploaded used your midi files without any editing) sounds better.

    i'll be working on this some more today and will hopefully have something uploaded by this evening

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  13. Yeah I would figure you would have to manually turn it down, other wise mess with the decay. The point is to make the sound cut-off sooner to the zipper is more apparent.

    No I did not shift anything, I step wrote it in 4 parts. The sequence starts with the down-up jump. The zipper part is at the beginning of the 4th sequence in mine, not at the end of the third.

    But you can do whatever you want with it :D

    `michael

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  14. i didn't mean to imply that the way you wrote it was inferior.. not that i think you did, just want to be clear.

    i'm really trying to understand my own approach by using you as a touchstone/mentor.

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  15. lol..I understand man, it is no problem. If you ask me a question, I am just going to give you an honest answer. Despite what so many other musicians around here display, there really is no "right or wrong", in making music. Your own ideas and their results are the real goal.

    Did you mess with that chord site at all? Try to drop a chord structure in your DAW as a bassline and repeat it, see what come out, and what happens when you shift the location. Add delay, see the difference. Start to remove or replace notes but always maintain the notes in the chord you started with. Once you understand which notes go well together, you can start experimenting with combining different chord progressions

    Once you have a bassline going, add a pad. Use the same chord and see how it all fits together automatically. Make some kind of pad progression but do not follow the bassline. You will start to see how the sound compliment each other-or even start to sound atonal-which is usually a goal in most Industrial music..heh

    A lot of rivitheads knock synth pop, but that kind of music really gave me a grip on melody and placement of sounds. Plus they do not bury their sounds in effects. Everything is very deliberate and obvious.

    `michael

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. i like the deliberate and obvious very much. there are some very interesting techniques that can be used in composition.. but sometimes i feel as if someone may be over using a technique to make up for lack of genuine input.

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  17. Well, it is the same when comparing a person with "street smarts", and a person with "book smarts"..heh They both have their applications.

    `michael

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. okay. latest incarnation of what was paranoia is on the ftp as haloscrape.

    most of my time has been spent on the bassline. i've had tons of different sounds programmed and recorded. i'm never completely happy and I've delted stuff I wish i hadn't again. anyway.. i'm kinda satisfied with the bass.

    going to program and put in some pads next and then the drums will get some processing.

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  19. Oh yeah! It is coming along nicely :D

    `michael

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. tried putting some pads in there using some chords

    haven't gotten anything to click yet. this is completely uncharted territory for me.

    Michael, if it interests you.. feel free to mess with this. its @ 240 BPM. since your initial loop with the drums and bassline was so inspirational, maybe if you did a chord progression for the pads or something for that loop you wrote it'll help give me some direction for the section I wrote.

    Michael, i have to say.. i fucking love that kick you programmed. i left it in there unadulterated. man, it fucking thumps.

    are pads typically done with chords? how integral are chords to industrial music.. how about electro or ebm?

    i've never worked at such a high BPM before.

    i'm starting to realize that writing dark and/or aggressive music is more involved than just programming dark or aggressive sounds. Michael's original of drums and the bassline were very aggressive... what I'm working on now i can only describe as... bouncy? the distorted muddy sound used towards the end more aggressive but I like the bouncy part too

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