http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ Electro, gothic, noise, darkwave from the Side-Line en Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:06:55 +0000 http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/architect/page/4#post-30799 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:56:08 +0000 krushyou 30799@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>I haven't listened to the samples I bought it on a blind buy but I've liked everything Mr Myer has done so I don't expect to be disappointed. </p> <p>Ordered from COP - it ships today so hopefully saturday or monday I'll get it. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/new-gear-purchases-2010#post-30798 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:53:19 +0000 Tsarik 30798@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>the proof is definitely in the pudding.</p> <p>in my search for knowledge in all things synth I've come across many, many people evidently know everything there is to know about the production of electronic music, have tons of money and studios filled with enough lust worthy gear to set your mind spinning with envy.</p> <p>i would poor over the posts of these... my new found, electro gurus, their opinions becoming my Commandments. I'd drool over their gear, envious at the amount of fun they must be having in their super studios.</p> <p>then i started looking them up.. checking out their forum signatures and going to their personal websites and listening to the music they've made with such epic pieces of iconic synthesizer and music production history.</p> <p>unfortunately, what I've found every time is the most generic music I've ever heard. I was so let down.. </p> <p>i mean listened to these guys talk about how "X" sucks because it didn't allow them to have 138 tracks of just automation data, which was absolutely necessary to their innovative and original productions. (/sarcasm)</p> <p>really... i mean.. fucking really? 100+ tracks of automation on top of all the audio tracks, etc. all the 1,000s of dollars of gear and seemingly intimate knowledge of all of their inner workings and it sounded completely generic. </p> <p>its laughable and sad that so many would think that famous and popular musicians would use such lowly gear as a SM58. </p> <p>evidently all the gear in the world hasn't helped those with such a mindset. maybe it would behoove them to believe that Trent would have zero qualms over using a $5 dollar computer microphone. that way they get over themselves and the gear they have, stop talking about the gear they have and start actually making music.</p> <p>Creativity and ingenuity... they've been the driving force behind music since the very first caveman start banging on shit. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/architect/page/4#post-30797 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:46:27 +0000 epytoneC 30797@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>Just ordered mine. Can't wait to hear. From all of the samples, it sounds like a killer record! </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/any-rewire-gurus-out-there#post-30796 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:38:19 +0000 epytoneC 30796@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>It is definitely possible.</p> <p>Are you seeing any error messages? What OS are you using?</p> <p>I am reading here: <a href="http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=133673" rel="nofollow">http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=133673</a></p> <p> - Right-click on the Live8.1.1.exe and choose 'Properties'. </p> <p> - In the following Window click on the 'Compatibility' tab. Check the box for 'Run this program in compatibility mode for:' and choose from the drop-box-menu beneath 'Windows Vista (Service Pack2)'.</p> <p> - Then start Live. </p> <p> - You've to re-authenticate Live.<br /> So, if u've Live already installed Live on a Desktop and on a laptop like me (and thus used both of your Unlocks), u need to contact the support, tell them your problem and ask for additional Unlocks for your license (they gave me extra ones, too).</p> <p> - After re-authentication, I restarted Live one more time and closed it again. So, when I finally started Cubase 5, 'Ableton Live ReWire' showed up in the Device menu and Live automatically started in Slave mode. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/new-gear-purchases-2010#post-30795 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:32:38 +0000 epytoneC 30795@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>It's true. I read the same article. Also a lot of Dave Gahan's vocals are tracked with a hand-held SM58. Of course he is running through a near-million dollar effects chain, so that certainly compensates for a lot. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/new-gear-purchases-2010#post-30794 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:23:57 +0000 soillodge 30794@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>"I really doubt that Manson or Trent ever recorded a released song over a SM58"</p> <p>This is incorrect. It was first mentioned in an article in Mix magazine I believe with Dave Ogilvie. I do not recall what month/year. But Nothing studios in NoLa had an array of microphones and Trent was known to use SM57's and 58's in conjunction with more expensive solid state and tube pre-amps to get certain tone vocals. As well as even older vintage style microphones that were used in writing and recording songs that were released on albums.</p> <p>Gear lust is neat, but far from necessary. If you want to spend a bunch of money and have a high overhead to cost of doing music, have fun. But I do not want people here getting the idea that expensive gear will make you sound or perform better. Creativity and ingenuity go much further.</p> <p>For instance, everyone here may feel that NIN goes for all types of amps and pre-amps and analog effects to ascertain that serious guitar tone and versatility. But actually most of it was NI Guitar Rig sets and experimenting with different production ideas. You do not need a big studio to achieve a big studio sound anymore. It's all in the box and the resolution you use to capture the signal.</p> <p>`michael </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/architect/page/4#post-30793 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:51:40 +0000 dmyer 30793@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>cool. read it:) thanks a lot! </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/my-cubase-and-asq10-reviews-on-old-pc-and-atari#post-30792 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:41:34 +0000 soillodge 30792@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>That is like saying an HD video signal will not look as good as a monochrome signal. The reason why MIDI has difficulty as a precision protocol in todays devices is not processing power. It is because MIDI is not optimized to be used by todays processors. It is like using a 28k modem to run a flash video. MIDI is transmitted as 16 channels and 128 control change parameters. OSC transfers info in bundles that smoke the limitations of MIDI. HD MIDI or MIDI 2.0 would quadruple available functions and render information in such high resolution that precision music would attack a whole new level.</p> <p>Bryan should test his hardware units with a soft-synth and DAW that uses OSC. See which has more precision results. Logically a higher resolution instrument in a higher resolution field will give more precision results.</p> <p>In the end, though, I really do not care about timing either. I like a certain human fallibility or groove in the music I enjoy. But the concept of high resolution control changes and more expressive abilities in my gear is very attractive. I do not like Ableton Live, but soon other DAW's will be developing into the OSC protocol [or HD-MIDI if they ever get off their asses] Which means more control, more expression, and completely wireless instant interactivity.</p> <p>Also OSC opens the possibilities for net hosted performances. Imagine 6 artists in different parts of the world all simultaneously performing together as a band for different audiences. We would no longer have to share files to collaborate or do remixes. It could be done in real time no matter where you were in the world. That is where we are heading with communications in general in the future. Of course, it is still ways off, but I think it is time we took some steps with our music protocol to reach that edifice.</p> <p>`michael </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/borghesia-are-back/page/2#post-30791 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:36:59 +0000 Electro Aggression Records-EAR 30791@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>Check out Aldo's side-project, Strojmachine. AMAZING STUFF!</p> <p><a href="http://www.strojmachine.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.strojmachine.com/</a> </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/star-wars-disco#post-30790 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:41:58 +0000 Apexxx 30790@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZqUOuvfQI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZqUOuvfQI</a> </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/question-about-the-history-of-piracy/page/2#post-30789 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:31:19 +0000 Tsarik 30789@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>"this is sooooo side-line"</p> <p>haha... Ornox.. are you a blonde teenage girl from "the valley? </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/my-cubase-and-asq10-reviews-on-old-pc-and-atari#post-30788 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:24:44 +0000 Tsarik 30788@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>it isn't really about old tech and an old protocol</p> <p>i'm not sure higher tech will produce tighter results than those old machines Brian tested.</p> <p>the way computers works... each process that is running is given processor time. this program gets a nanosecond , that program gets a nanosecond, etc, etc, etc.</p> <p>so if you need really tight timing. you don't have to buy an old fucking atari. just use dedicated hardware</p> <p>personally i could give 2 shits about tight timing.. but i guess that is because i grew up listening to metal and have practically been saturated in live music since birth.</p> <p>midi is definitely old and dated. but it works fairly well. new standards are sure to work better but then there is the problem with it backwards compatible. are we going to need Osc to Midi to CV converters some day? </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/star-wars-disco#post-30787 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:22:03 +0000 holyassfuckingmoses 30787@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>check and raise...</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zRdtus-gvY&amp;feature" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zRdtus-gvY&amp;feature</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJvxEjGpIqU&amp;feature" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJvxEjGpIqU&amp;feature</a> </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/architect/page/4#post-30786 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:16:36 +0000 bubba 30786@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>Si. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/looking-for-contacts-in-slovenia#post-30785 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:45:44 +0000 vx cheerleader 69 30785@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>If you have any slovenian contacts, I'm trying to do a bit of promotion for a Punish Yourself gig we're playing there (in Ravne Na Koroskem, near austrian border)... Radios, webzines, message boards, whatever, I'm interested in any contact that could be useful... </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/atari-teenage-riot-reforming#post-30784 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:19:41 +0000 vx cheerleader 69 30784@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>Yeah, Baxter Lilly, absolutely </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/atari-teenage-riot-reforming#post-30783 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:01:43 +0000 djtekslave 30783@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>@Cheerleader<br /> BTW nice interview in the latest issue of Elegy ;-)</p> <p>Also in France Baxter Lilly is doing some interesting stuff. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/your-recent-purchases/page/9#post-30782 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:41:03 +0000 ELECTROHEAD 30782@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>Various Artists: "ELECTRONIC AID TO HAITI"</p> <p><a href="http://sigmedia.us/" rel="nofollow">http://sigmedia.us/</a></p> <p>SIGDR001 - Electronic Aid to Haiti (Digital Download)</p> <p>We all share a planet that is repeatedly shattered by human tragedies. Each and every tremor at the far end of the world is an apocalypse for thousands of people whose lives are often threatened by the vagaries and whims of a hard climate. Even the small funds this compilation might raise could help a number of Haitians. If some relief can be brought, however slightly,to some and help them rebuild their lives, then this project will not have been in vain.</p> <p>Army of shadows, you can take part in the international support to Haiti in your own way. All the profits generated by the internet sales of this electro-industrial music anthology will be donated to the Red Cross (Croix Rouge) to aid victims of the disaster.</p> <p>The purpose of this anthology is to raise some funds for the Red Cross and support their dedication to the Haiti earthquake victims.Any piracy, copying or unauthorized remote loading of this compilation on P2P sites would be selfish and mindless. Neither the label nor the bands will get any profits from this project... So please purchase this album and help those in need. .<br /> __________________________________________________________<br /> SPANISH VERSION:</p> <p>El objetivo de esta recopilacion es de recojer dinero para La Cruz Roja que actua en HAÏTI, bajando esta collecion masiva de temas electro industriales y EBM podeis ayudar a los que màs lo necesitan.<br /> El sello americano Sigsaly Transmissions records se ha propuesto distribuir en su pagina web los 54 temas que han sido ofrecido por las mejores bandas de la escena underground europea y grupos mucho màs conocidos.<br /> __________________________________________________________<br /> VERSION FRANCAISE:</p> <p>A l'initiative d'une poignée de musiciens de la scéne electronique underground francaise une compilation digitale visant à récolter des fonds pour l'action de LA CROIX ROUGE en HAITI a réuni non moins d'une cinquantaine de groupes de la scéne electro-industrielle (dont certaines figures majeures comme Front 242 ou le chanteur de Nitzer Ebb, première partie de la tournée actuelle de Depeche Mode). Tous ont offert un titre inédit ou un remix pour soutenir ce projet caritatif..</p> <p>TRACKLIST:</p> <p>01 CHEERLEADER 69_ogoun<br /> 02 SHIZUKA_des singes<br /> 03 DENOVO_smashed down the wall<br /> 04 KUB_dark star<br /> 05 AB OVO_reminder<br /> 06 HIV+_sous le ciel (vocal pop 2010)<br /> 07 TEENAGE SIN TASTE_crash(ed)<br /> 08 BRAIN LEISURE_mr dean<br /> 09 SKOYZ_waste<br /> 10 FRONT 242_ quite unusual (live)<br /> 11 PSYCHE_unveiling the secret (back to the future by DIE-6 vs GEISTFORM)<br /> 12 MISSING IN ACTION_faith healer (People Theatre's charity mix)<br /> 13 FORETASTE_anachronic (blue eyes rmx by Substate)<br /> 14 AD:KEY_alte geister (vorwaerts mix)<br /> 15 FIXMER MCCARTHY_drive (live)<br /> 16 LEAETHER STRIP_closer to the pulse beat<br /> 17 VOID KAMPF_steel stahl (Vocal Choir Mix by Code Machine)<br /> 18 BAK XIII_we are alive<br /> 19 DOLLS OF PAIN_lobotomy (exit version)<br /> 20 DARKMEN_Angel Eyes (Forgotten Sunrise Remix)<br /> 21 STAHL NEBEL &amp; BLACK SELKET_tv war 2010<br /> 22 K-BEREIT_acid rain (Altern-Haiti-Ve)<br /> 23 AUTODAFEH_ no shelter (wobbler mix)<br /> 24 PSYCHOSOMATIK_better (extended version)<br /> 25 LA MAGRA_angels descending (Nephilim remix)<br /> 26 SOLVO PROPANE_shock wave<br /> 27 PUNISH YOURSELF_we shall be the new messiah (live) feat Ecstatic<br /> 28 VADI STARH FEAT. FFA _human error<br /> 29 NEON RAIN_sons of the earth<br /> 30 SIDE BODY_whispered cries<br /> 31 MAURI_son prenom est...(pt.II)<br /> 32 PHLLOX_break the code (Laura Palmer reloaded edit)<br /> 33 ELECTRIC PRESS KIT_this night (Night mix by -K-)<br /> 34 DARK SOUL_zoomb<br /> 35 OPERATION OF THE SUN_ radioactivity (Kraftwerk cover)<br /> 36 LAAG_red drops<br /> 37 BUZZ_vision d'une autre industrie<br /> 38 POPOI SDIOH_psychogame_SalenicoRemix<br /> 39 NORMOTONE_black horses of destruction feat. VX69<br /> 40 ISZOLOSCOPE_the unsettled (glimpses of hell)<br /> 41 ANAMORPHOSIS_ Sad garden<br /> 42 DATARAPER_give me a sign<br /> 43 T3RR0R 3RR0R_insomnia<br /> 44 DIGITAL FACTOR_electroshock 2010<br /> 45 MINERVE_Falling [Cinematic Edition by Decayde]<br /> 46 BEAT IN ZEN vs NUDE_dreams<br /> 47 THE CHEMICAL SWEET KID_identity<br /> 48 UNDER ALL_out of mind<br /> 49 .CUT VS MALINOU_meet her at the maschinenfest<br /> 50 KLONAVENUS_ the loser V2.0<br /> 51 THE KICK_blood<br /> 52 BIOMEKKANIK_melancholy friend<br /> 53 TRANCESISTOR_warum<br /> 54 DECODED FEEDBACK_where am I </p> <p><a href="http://sigmedia.us/" rel="nofollow">http://sigmedia.us/</a> </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/mindinabox-retro#post-30781 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:32:21 +0000 ELECTROHEAD 30781@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>I got surprised by the album in a positive way. The fears that I had - me being a passionate Welle Erdball - despiser - did not become true. A good album and nice step beside the regular Mind.In.A.Box - track. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/infacted-news/page/4#post-30780 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:24:53 +0000 ELECTROHEAD 30780@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>Yup, indeed they are. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/infacted-news/page/4#post-30779 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:17:29 +0000 silikonanswer 30779@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>Totally agree, they are awesome. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/new-gear-purchases-2010#post-30778 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:02:43 +0000 YADE 30778@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>@Virul3nt: I really doubt that Manson or Trent ever recorded a released song over a SM58......<br /> the Frontliner is a cool thing because it is versatile...you can also send for instance a kick through only the Compressor or another MONO signal through only the EQ section...</p> <p>I don't understand why everyone is so eager about tube sat in the preamping......for vocals or acoustic instruments with a lot of harmonics they can add something (if wanted...) but for Synthesizer signals I am rather tending to solid state..</p> <p>we usually use the tubes in the final multiband-compression (SMC-2B)</p> <p>btw: maybe skip the frontliner and buy instead a Millenia Media STT-1 Origin....offers both tube and solid state logic....and sounds....well.....FUCKING AWESOME....for me this is the only piece of gear that can easily compete with my MEC-1A by Tube-Tech...it may even imho sound a little bit better....:-) </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/infacted-news/page/3#post-30777 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:28:33 +0000 Infacted Recordings 30777@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>They´re not underrated, they´re awesome :-)</p> <p>and hey, we´ve just launched them with METRO in the US! So I guess this should give them more popularyty, also the gig at WGT will! </p> <p>We´re constantly working to build them up! They´ve released three outstanding albums!</p> <p>:-) </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/any-rewire-gurus-out-there#post-30776 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:13:11 +0000 YADE 30776@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>that's unfortunately not what I want...I want Ableton to be ReWire Master and Cubase 5 as ReWire Slave...but unfortunately this seems not to be possible....well then...let's find another solution...would have been too cool... </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/new-gear-purchases-2010#post-30775 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:09:35 +0000 dogmeat 30775@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>if you want tube saturation, you can try empirical's distressor as well, too expensive for me, but it is supposed to be a great thing for aggressive coloring, whether it is guitar, vocals or a synth<br /> i achieve saturation using diy/ghetto gear though, we have a budget tube preamp/comp (http://www.thomann.de/gb/art_tube_pac.htm) and i bought a rather cheap old field recording reel to reel, when neccessary i use things like ferox or other plugins for saturation. another great thing is the shitty walkman distortion, used directly it is shit, but when you use it as a send it can have some pretty decent effect </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/atari-teenage-riot-reforming#post-30774 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:50:33 +0000 vx cheerleader 69 30774@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>@ Rogue Process : I'll add french band Shane Cough, first and third albums are top-notch (forget about the 2nd, tho) - and I sure agree on everyone on the list, even if I tend to think that with Punish Yourself we didn't ever tried to be "digital hardcore". </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/architect/page/4#post-30773 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:13:46 +0000 dmyer 30773@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>on your discogs? </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/the-what-do-you-drive-thread/page/2#post-30772 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:57:34 +0000 ketoujin 30772@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>Opel Astra F CC - from 93, so I don´t care about cars, in this case it matches perfectly! </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/star-wars-disco#post-30771 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:52:18 +0000 Cult of the Bleeding Toe 30771@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWUp2MhVvwQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWUp2MhVvwQ</a></p> <p>also the classic rap: (one of the best videos of all time, OF ALL TIME!)</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEeAjy-05OI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEeAjy-05OI</a> </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/question-about-the-history-of-piracy/page/2#post-30770 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:41:52 +0000 Cult of the Bleeding Toe 30770@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>If this debate is bad, for any reason, it is because this is an ancient stagnant debate. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/cool-photography-web-mag-thing#post-30769 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:37:31 +0000 Ornox 30769@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>cool photography bro </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/question-about-the-history-of-piracy/page/2#post-30768 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:34:56 +0000 Ornox 30768@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>this debate is bad. mainly because it wasn't meant to be a debate.</p> <p>i just want to know wht the deal with those CDs was. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/the-what-do-you-drive-thread/page/2#post-30767 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:11:51 +0000 klondike 30767@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>Let me tell you what Melba Toast is packin' right here, all right. We got 4:11 Positrac outback, 750 double pumper, Edelbrock intake, bored over 30, 11 to 1 pop-up pistons, turbo-jet 390 horsepower. We're talkin' some (beep)in' muscle. </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/my-cubase-and-asq10-reviews-on-old-pc-and-atari#post-30766 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:12:15 +0000 soillodge 30766@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>yep..a 20 yr old computer runs a 28 year old protocol better.</p> <p>So when are we going to adopt a high definition protocol as the standard and move into the 21st century? MIDI HD or OSC anyone?</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9vpVEP5ooU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9vpVEP5ooU</a></p> <p>Many electronic artists are using OSC now. Unfortunately I have yet to hear anyone making very aggressive music. And the precision of HD sequencing has so much added value in aggressively organized compositions.</p> <p>`michael </p> http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/cool-photography-web-mag-thing#post-30765 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:05:26 +0000 Cult of the Bleeding Toe 30765@http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/ <p>not fully sure if its about photography (jsut glimpsed briefly)</p> <p><a href="http://www.hamburgereyes.com/2009/01/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hamburgereyes.com/2009/01/</a></p> <p>some interesting pics :) </p>