Stefan Herwig invites 'filesharing' people for a debate during next Seabound/Iris US tour

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03 Mar, 2008

Stefan Herwig invites 'filesharing' people for a debate during next Seabound/Iris US tour
In a post in the Side-Line forum, Dependent label boss Stefan Herwig invites file sharing people to have a chat with him face to face during the upcoming the Seabound/Iris US tour where Herwig is present as tour manager and light engineer. In the post Herwig also explains the reason for this invitation: "I am noticing a decent increase of piss-take threads on how dead the CD is, how evil record companies are, how cool the file sharing community is, etc. Real arguments here are rare, but a couple of attention whores seem to find it remarkably funny to show up with nicknames like 'i stole ur muzak', etc. Its all fun and games on a forum, but does anyone of you cool file sharing people really have some 'real life' arguments to backup your evil deeds and justify file sharing?"

Herwig encourages the 'file sharing is cool' fans to hook up with him to sit down in a hotel lobby, restaurant or hotel room and discuss the 'fors and againsts' of file sharing with him in persona. Face to face and without a net or safety belt as he calls it. Herwig will record the discussions. Afterwards the unedited discussions can than be enjoyed by everyone at the end of the tour as a podcast or downloadable Mp3 on the Dependent website or via Side-Line.

Stefan: "Does anyone really have the guts to step up in real life and argue with someone face to face about this touchy subject? Quite honest: I doubt it... but would be pleasantly surprised if someone would step up to that challenge." If you are up for a discussion, send a mail to stefan@dependent.de .

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Posted by: Infiner on Jan 14, 09 | 12:25 am

CD IS DEAD, SO IS FILE SHARING!

LONG LIVE VINYL!!

If you release everything on vinyl it's a lot harder to stick it into the CD drive to rip it for everyone to file share. They do still rip vinyl but it's like a lock on a house, it deters them from ripping, and anything to deter from ripping and slowing them down will make it less. You don't leave the doors on your house unlocked do you?

I must say that you cannot find everything you want with file sharing, going to a good record store and buying a record you will much more likely find stuff nobody else has.

File sharing does have a place in the music industry, it is the best way to do free grassroots promotion anywhere. Which can eventually lead to live shows and tour promotion. So how that hurts the band I do not know, it seems more like it helps an artist or band to me.

Posted by: aktvst on Mar 24, 08 | 12:47 am

heh, stefan is actually "challenging" people "face to face"?? Sounds like a cry-baby looking for more excuses as to why his label went under. Simple math: you release shit ebm that all sounds the same, your label will go out of business. Stop trying to fight the file sharing community cause its a battle you will never win. If no one cared enough to buy your releases, no one will care enough to talk to you "face to face"...

Posted by: ElektroVST on Mar 18, 08 | 9:48 pm

Stefan - I never knew where to find you during teh Blacksun Fest!

Posted by: Hungry Lucy on Mar 18, 08 | 9:40 pm

I had a great chat with Stefan about file sharing and such this past Saturday morning.

I urge anyone interested in discussing file sharing with Stefan during this tour to leave a comment here. He truly does want to talk to folks about this stuff.

I think we agreed on more than we disagreed and I enjoyed the opportunity to talk with Stefan. No matter your viewpoint, I think you'll find him to be a really nice guy who his truly passionate about music.

Thanks Stefan for taking the time to chat.

Posted by: Karolvs on Mar 06, 08 | 1:21 pm

The music is dead because of filesharing?. I don�t think so, JUST THE CD IS DEAD.

Thanks to the filesharing, actually people can access more easily to hundreds of bands of their musical taste and also, the bands can get knowed more easily. And more yet, since decades we had suffered buying cds that, after a first listening we gladly would throw to the trash. Now we can listen first, appreciate it and if the work convinces us, award that labour. We are not only music listeners, we are consumers too.

If the music is dead how can you explain this rising of hundreds of bands in the recent years?, yes, it�s the other bands influence, the music couldn�t be more alive now. Maybe the records companies should get focused to a reduced number of bands in spite of launch cds without thinking better or maybe stop letting the entrace to whoever.

It is not a secret that in the present time bands should face this situation with live shows until a new media support for the music arrives. Do you see as a fair thing that we, the music lovers, have to pay a expensive entrance for watching a guy singing while other just "push the play button"?. The electronic music world is not fair for anybody... but I don�t blame you because you can�t watch beyond your own nose.

Maybe you should organize more live shows or offer lower prices, or launching less trash (and I mean albums with just two or three good songs, be more demanding with bands), or, at last, don�t think so much as a mainstream records company (I thought this was a subculture and the real cool thing was to scream "fuck the mainstream!", why try to act as a shit like that?). And for the bands, yes, I know, it would be so magnifical to live just of music work and be adored as U2 members or other bands worldwide knowed. If you want to be like them JUST DO AS THEY DO and stop fucking crying. People of this culture has a different way of thinking and no money for a billion of bands and for buy their appreciated and cool dressing, face it.

As a last note, just say that thanks to the filesharing (that I don�t watch as a cool thing, just useful) NOW I BUY MORE ORIGINAL MUSIC THAN EVER IN MY WHOLE LIFE, not because of moralities, not because of the records companies weepings touch me... just for recognize a well done work, show my satisfaction as a consumer and help the bands of my musical taste to continue their labor.

Posted by: kylven on Mar 04, 08 | 7:54 pm

Hi! There stefan & Co,
we all suffer deeply of this file sharing thing but let's face it if you got a strong fan base and you are able to perfom good and inventive shows then you can survive ,it puts in a way people in place,some artists take themselves too seriously ,for example like i had experience to witness with L'ame Immortelle for name one, come on people, we are all in this together ,we all have to get payed for our work but too many get away with it, by giving shit & not giving 100 pourcent i know we are living hard times in a over saturated world but this ArT+
you are IT or you are NOT
Kind Regards.
Kris kylven xxx
http://www.myspace.com/kylven

Posted by: Side-Line on Mar 04, 08 | 11:32 am

Is being taken care of. Check your mailbox for a mail from Stefan.

Posted by: Hungry Lucy on Mar 04, 08 | 11:23 am

I smell a panel discussion at Blacksun .. I wonder if that could be arranged.

Posted by: ElektroVST on Mar 04, 08 | 11:02 am

I will be playing keys for The Azoic at Blacksun Fest so I'd be there as well and would love to discuss!

Posted by: Maecenas on Mar 04, 08 | 7:27 am

I was shocked about his decision to end his Dependent label because of file sharing and so I am wondering about this idea now. I think there will be no real hardcore filesharer or leader of the major groups, who really destroy independent lables and artists, because they still think that they are supporters and music lovers, but they destroy lives and so they shall not wonder about reading to see her favorite artists cleaning floors or working at Mc D. They steal the few bucks of the artists and what can we (artists) do? Does anyone of the fileshares ask artists for their paypal account to send them money? Ask yourself who is evil now, the music industry at all? No! The independent labels? Hell, no they produce your favorite music! The artists? No! They need the money to make music. The costs for rehearsal rooms, instruments, amplifier, synthesizers, computers, mics.... and after a record deal .. the costs for the studio .. are all costs of the musician and this means an average investition into thousands of dollars. Let us say, the musician get one dollar for each regulary sold cd, so there is also the need to sell thousands of cds to make any profit. So filesharing is death to creative music and see that only a few percent of all musicians world wide can live from their music.

Posted by: Hungry Lucy on Mar 04, 08 | 6:07 am

I would love to chat about this at Blacksun Fest next week. We're all performing on Friday night (March 14th) so lets discuss. :)

War-N
Hungry Lucy

Posted by: mimic on Mar 04, 08 | 5:20 am

I'd happily discuss this with him if they were to visit the UK :]
Though really artists have to start accepting file sharing as a fact of life and try and work with it instead these days.

Posted by: badpauly on Mar 03, 08 | 4:04 pm

Stephan is welcome to visit Australia at any point, and I promise a sit-down with him to discuss the full spectrum of file-sharing, music-piracy, and the state of the music-industry as a whole, should he decide to make the trip.

And it just might happen, if a local promoter continues to work on getting Seabound to get out here.

Posted by: IH8ToRegister on Mar 03, 08 | 2:25 pm

I think the CD is dead (which makes me sad), and I think labels are evil (which makes me sad). But I don't think illegaly downloading songs is cool. Where does that put me?

Posted by: DarkVince on Mar 03, 08 | 12:17 pm

Good idea Mr.Herwig! but i doubt those folks are able to do something else than hide behind their computers and ruin the side-Line forum with their crap because there is no real arguments.
There are jus acting like stupid kids playing a game and hoping that dad won't come early home to kick their asses.

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