what the fuck is now this "aggrotech"???

made me smile

lol...is that for real?

`michael

aggrotech - aggressive techno? is this the new incantation of hellectro?

arrgh new genres!

Could it be that I have seen this name already on a comp done by Chase on his "If It Moves..." label? "Toture Tech Overdrive" with Yeht Mae, Xorcist, Biohazard/PCP, STG and, and, and...?
So then this "aggrotech" term is already a very old name...
But don't ask me which bands can be considered as such...

@ marc: the "biohazard - from brooklyn new york mottthhhaaafucker !!" ??

AlphaQ:

NOOOOOOOO!

Biohazard/PCB was a 4 men output from San Diego, CA. When they started to get better known and up to release a CD they had to change their name (maybe because of the name similarities with da NY mottthhhaaafuckaaas...). So they are known as Contagion.
I must admit that I liked their tape/demo phase much more until they could finally release CD's. They were a bit NEP influenced, very European influenced Electro/EBM I would say. Check them out here:
http://www.pcbproductions.com/contagion/

Biohazard/PCB were cool, not heard them in yrs.....

What band in industrial isn't aggrotech? Come on. Stop with the labels. We have enough of them already, as previously mentioned. It would be a cute epitaph for a band though, like how KMFDM has "ultra heavy beat".

roflmao

-helosix

Do you remember "AGGREPO" designed by ZOTH OMMOG??? ;)

I've never heard this term used ever.

But if i were to use it to define a group,
it would be something similar to
Chemlab, or cubanate, or Novakill

I dont know, the word just reminds me of some groups.

The kmfdm fabricated genre "Ultra heavy beat" .. who else falls under this sad umbrella?

Only KMFDM. I'm glad too.

emperor:

Yeah, of course, Dennis. They designed this name for ads for their "Technoclub" promotion magazine called Frontpage. The first MCD "East/West" of the Armageddon Dildos was announced under this moniker...

Aggressive Techno????

DJ TRON......... older ULTRAVIOLENCE is good too.......

It can prove to be very fast paced shit with a plethora of kick-ass samples.

lol, is thread a joke? it seems people are actually buying into the lame-o moniker.

as far as i can tell, aggrotech == terror ebm == hellektro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggrotech

from wikipedia:

'Aggrotech, also refered more recently to as Terror EBM and sometimes as Hellektro (a corruption/portmanteau of 'hell' and 'elektro'), is a term that surfaced in the mid-1990s to describe an evolution of ebm and elektro typified by somewhat harsh song structures, aggressive beats and lyrics of a militant, pessimistic or explicit nature'


Jeez, i never heard of this term and i am listening to this kind of music for over thirteen years now... and this encyclopedia just dumps this name as if it is used for a long time...

who the hell wrote this piece? It doesn't even mention an author

i'm not sure, i only tidied the article up. tbh i hadn't heard of aggrotech before i found that article but i don't exactly claim to know everything so i've gone with it for the while. one thing wikipedia likes is referenes, so does anyone know where the terms '"terror ebm", "hellektro" and/or "aggrotech" originated from?

apart from the term 'aggrotech' the article is well written... i just wonder where they get that name...
terror ebm and hellektro are names that i at least heard in the scene .... made up probably by magazines or compilation designers
'aggrotech' has a certain ring to it, but i just never heard from it.. it reminds me more of techno than elektro-industrial

seems to be an archaic term... other archaic terms i remember that never made it: teknik and deadtech

tekk shit ding-o-matic, you just gotta love all these terms the "music authors" make up.

gay

gay

whoops. yeah, it's pretty much agreed delete buttons are quite the commodity.

panzerpop!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael87: heehehehe ROTFL

Never heard that term though it sounds quite fun - like monstruously machiney-futuristic
I'm bad at labelizing anyway ...

isnt it just ANGREY electro?

i tend to loose intrest when i hear a rediculously distorted snare drum on 2 and 4 theese days.

the infant mortality rate for new genra names in this scene must be a harrowing figure... maby even harrowing enough to get Bono to do a concert in their aid.

I heard that term some years ago to describe a mix of redneck and industrial, the only example I remember is Beers, Steers and queers by Revolting Cocks.

but I could be wrong...and I´m drunk too, so...

Yeah I remember in the late 90's aggrotech was ascribed to the more synthetic cold wave bands. Apparently now it is just another word for Terror EBM/Hellektro/Bananawitchcastle.

We totally needed another genre name for same damn thing. So thanks for that!!!

`michael

I thought it was another word for hardcore-gabber techno. But what do I know ?

OMG everything in this genre can and will fit into EBM, Industrial or Synthpop. Dammit!!!!

I heard the term from a mate a while back, I for one dont mind it.

If you were trying to describe distorted vocals spooky synths etc to someone who had never heard it before I find 'aggro-tech' a far better moniker than 'terror-ebm' which tries to sound serious and scary but just ends up sounding laughably gay!

I always think Aghast View when I think aggrotech. Plus, yes, it sounds a lot less dorky than terror EBM or hellektro, so I tend to use that term.

from discogs.com

"
Funker Vogt
Real Name: Björn Böttcher, Frank Schweigert, Gerrit Thomas, Jens Kästel
Profile: Funker Vogt is a German aggrotech band, formed by Gerrit Thomas and Jens Kästel in 1995."

wtf

@StormWave
"If you were trying to describe distorted vocals spooky synths etc to someone who had never heard it before I find 'aggro-tech' a far better moniker than 'terror-ebm' which tries to sound serious and scary but just ends up sounding laughably gay!"

You might as well just call it "spooky-synth"!

I like the aggrotech name. Not really so much the music... maybe the 90s ish tho...

Depeche Mode has an "Aggro Mix" of Never Let Me Down Again that sounds pretty damn industrial to me.

@ teejn:

True, but thats even worse!! lol

I don't know, it makes me think of Agriculture and some kind of redneck trance :/

plus, If youre trying to explain it to some outsider, just throw in the word "Industrial" like it's been done for years! :p

Old Depeche Mode is more "Industrial" then most "Industrial" these days :=)

ahhhhh, my brains gonna explode. stop stop stop. no more sub genres, or im gonna grab Mr Peabody & Sherman, get in the wayback machine and stop rock-n-roll from ever happening!

EBM = Smooth or lightly distorted vocals
Industrial = Harsh or heavily distorted vocals
Synthpop = Depeche Mode and it's many clones.

There. Done.

isn't early Wumpscut aggrotech?

It's Industrial! See my super awesome and concise list above.

What about TG's non distorted-vox songs? :p

Combichrist!

while we are at it, can we drop "dark electro" it means nothing.

@Twylight- YOU can drop dark electro. Probably will not have any effect on bands and people that have been utilizing that genre name since the 90's.

`michael

"dark electro"

negatory! this label is required.
i went to a night where they advertised that they played 'electro' it was
a) filled with goths
b) unlikley to play any chemical brothers or any other proper 'electro' (eg: dance music / dirty house / electroclash)

Meh I just stick with the basics.
EBM, Industrial, Synthpop, House, Trance, Techno, Elektro, Drum and Bass. Pretty much all electronic music can fit into those. Just because a group may be influenced by both EBM and House, doesn't mean it needs to be called 'futurepop'. Or, industrial and drum and bass doesn't need to be called IDM, etc.

i like the term "aggrotech" because it has aggro e.g. aggressive. I love aggressive music and wish more industrial was aggressive/angry. I don't particularly see aggrotech as relating to a techno/trance sound or whatever, just shit that actually sounds angry (anyone can have lyrics about serial killers or misanthropy but does it sound like they're actually angry?) and driving. more like...aggressive technology. see that sounds way cooler right?

kraftwerk/depeche mode/D.A.F./Front 242/Cab Voltair/skinny puppy

everything is just an offshoot and clone of these 6 bands

Kraftdustrial, Depechepop, Deutsche Amerikanische Freundschafech, Frontrance, Cabaret Voltechno, Skinny Disco.

/me slaps gigatronikEmOBM around a bit with a large trout.

freundshaftech` forgot a "t" :(

@pathogen

at least it wasnt a pissbass

@ Giga: Basically agreed, but don´t forgot 2 unlimited and Scooter as major influences of today "indus" music :)))

Shouldn't Leatherstrip be in that list?

nah Æ shouldnt be. he is kinda a mix of 242 ebm with skinny puppy style samples. very good but not original enough

You and your fancy ASCII.

@ EBMboy: But if u stick to "old styles" how can music evolve? (just a question, no harm meant)
Indeed, I quite believe if you stay in the same old styles you're doomed to make it die with "overuse"/"exhausting the style", and i'm not talking about all the cloning thing...
People would get bored if nothing "sounding new" existed. And if does sound new, it has to be called another way, hasn't it?

@MN3MO-[5YN34]- First off, typing out your name is no fun. I am not talking about sticking to "old styles". I just think people try to further and further break down names and genres because of an ego thing.

I disagree that it has to be called something new. I mean, we are getting to the point where like a style of music with like 3 bands is now its own genre? No. Why make up more names when you can efficiently describe them with pre-existing ones? That's where I get the ego idea from.. it's just to make people feel that they are either
A) Listening to cutting edge/never before heard music [as to inflate their own ego to seem to have a more cultivated and obscure taste]
or
B) Creating cutting edge/never before heard music [mostly as marketing ploys and to be known as 'the band that coined this term].

Maybe I'm just bitter. =D

@ EBMBoy : for my name COPY/ PASTE or just write Mnemo, gonna be OK
Yeah, I understand what u mean - good points

But, for example, "Dark electro" is a term more than one band or two are classified in, isn't it?

@MN3M0-[5YN34] - Yea copy/paste heh. "Dark Elektro" is an okay term but it isn't a necessary one; at least I don't think it is.

@ EBMBoy: why so? (sorry for getting on ur nerves, just trying to understand ur whole point of view) ;-)

@MN3M0-[5YN34] - I am just a minimalist with this stuff... I like things to be concise and not all that cluttered. I listed a bunch of genres above that pretty much all electronic [at least that we listen to] are combonations of or are influenced by. Dark Elektro is an okay description but I don't think it has to apply to an entire genre. It's still 'elektro'.

@ EBMBoy : I quite understand your reluctance at "subgenre outburst"
Everybody's at a loss classifying aaaaaaaaaaall these bands into so many boxes!!!

I think the main genre is: Music.

@ Goa-head : minimalizing to the max!
But how do u define music? Is the truck NOIZE on asphalt music? ;-)

Ok, we're getting too far I guess...

Well I DON`T define the noise, rave, rnb, hip hop and terrorbanana genres as music that is for shure :D

@Goa-Head: I'll go one further! Lets call it "stuff".

who wants to start an Aggrobanana project?

who wants to start an Aggrobanana project?

Having the worst and most false singing voice ever heard on the planet (prolly of the entire universe) I'm applying for official *screamer* ;-p

BANANA-TEK

Stevil, that is a very pissed off banana.

are you sure he's sufficiently pissed enough to be considered aggro?
this is aggro-banana were talking here not pissed-banana.

it should be silver to look more industrial XD with rusted parts !!!!

Pissed banana will be a sub-genre of aggro banana, follow maniacal banana then we have the most harsh: PsychoBanana.

Also: Put a gear under the grimace. It needs a gear for gods sake.

EBBAT = Emo Banana Badass Aggro Tech.

This banana has no gasmask and no blood so it is not really *that* aggro imo

Whatever happened to goblin-trance? For its short lifespan it was surely the best off-shoot of ebm/industrial.

Genres never seem to stick around these days. Either that or they are amalgamated into other genres

With that in mind I hereby declare Goblin-Banana the big thing!

Bananas are freaking industrial: SHNARPH! = BANANA POWER!

I gobbled some banana for lunch today.

isnt there an old school ebm joke band called UGH! with a banana and a gear as a logo

Snarph's banana obsession confuses me O_o

Snarph, in general, confuses me.

@ gigatronikEmoBM: is this the logo you mean? XD look at his contact table...

Shnarph!

that was so done in the 70's, please.

Welcome to the Monkey House

new dismantled promo pic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B78rrwSQB24

crikey... i go away to sleep for a few hours and the whole thread goes banannananas.

I've been using terms like "Hellektro", "Futurepop", and even "Techno Body Music" as I think they are still quite descriptive of certain styles, but aggrotech I just don't get...
I've recently heard people use it in various contexts, such as "I know it's mainly aggrotech, but.." or "Of course, it's more aggrotech than it's industrial". People who haven't been listening to EBM/whatever for more than a couple of years - where do they get those terms from?

me me me me me...I want to be aggrotech too! I like that classification..

Typical aggrotech is yelworC.

@ Sumez

As I said earlier, at least aggro-tech sounds like a serious genre. 'Terror Ebm' just sounds...well...like a bad joke. The only problem I have is that the first thing the name conjures up for me is Keith Flint from the Prodigy.

I prefer "Terror EBM" as a genre BECAUSE it doesn't sound serious.
I mean, EBM, Rock, Jazz, and Disco are all "serious genres", but when you start making up all these subgenres, I don't want people to think I give THAT much of a fuck, it's just nice to have something to describe the sound. I have a hard time taking "aggrotech" serious as it is.

Using those names simply as description is okay, but as a whole new subset... ugh no. Like, for stuff that is called 'terror ebm', I just like to call it harsh ebm. It still maintains the same normal genre of ebm but doesn't make up a new one to fit a band... it just describes it.

But isn't EBM already quite harsh by definition? :P
I understand what you mean, and concur, but I never understood the term "harsh EBM"

I reeeeally don't consider EBM to be harsh by definition. There's at least a moderate difference between... oh jeez, I can't even remember who calls themselves futurepop these days... okay, between Assemblage 23 and Grendel, for instance.

never really thought "harsh" ebm was really that harsh either..it's too melodic and smooth-sounding - For me EBM is more about atmosphere and groove. But I guess different people different perceptions :)

@Sumez: I've always considered EBM to be not overly treated/distorted vocals with a lot of smooth sounding synths [Orange Sector is a good example]

@Mr Pathogen: Oh yea, I know. In my brain though, Assemblege 23 is EBM and Grendel is Industrial though. Makes my life easier :-p

Futurepop is uh... what... VNV, Icon of Coil, Apop nowadays?

Oh yea, I just like to call Futurpop what it is.. and that's house. House comes from disco. So Futurepop is modern day disco :D