I know the reasons for your curiosity ;) What do you think about? Is it possible to break with the past? The stories I've heard wasn't good for the involved artists. Most of them stopped their activities after the label had closed its doors and others opened their own record companies...

Some never learn from the past :)

Didn't Side-line work together with CCP in the early 90's?

Yep, you learn from your mistakes :)

still waiting for that AmGod box promised more than a year ago.

I'm still surprised when I hear one more story about how things go wrong in this scene.

Not that it is any different in the other scenes. You'd be surprised of the cock-ups in the mainstream music scene, and they are happening each week over and over again.

Why? Because we work with human beings that get tripped by egos etc. etc.

That's life and this scene is just a reflection of it.

LOL ... now this is maybe the best joke i read in a long time on this forum.
celtic back in bizz ...
i was on celtic and we still laugh with this story. the good thing is that like bernard mentions, one can learn from his mistakes. on the other hand, some people will never learn (big nose sniff by alfred :-)

@ Side-Line: You are right, Bernard, we could all learn a lot from this. Please correct me when I am wrong here, but I think to that time you were not co-operating with Seba and Benoit to that time...

...we have yelworC and we don´t want Amgod!...;)

What a blasphemy!

@dunkelwerk
I second that

they are said to be releasing the Eu. version of our bands SEVERE ILLUSION new album...so thats the only one I heard of coming from them now..but,. in defense of CCP...its so damn hard to get anything released these days...the cash put into each release is barely ever made back, if you are doing the harder edged, and non -trendy electro-industrial music...especially if the releases are more of an "album" then a single or 2 for the clubs surrounded by fluff, as I notice many releases of that style are these days..

of course futurepop and noise seem to be selling alot better right now, because thats the "current trend"....too bad theres not so many diverse minded fans in the underground...(no need to argue...I know there are some...but not many..)

@ Marc: but I was in close contact with them already...

theres no chance that AmGod is going to release new material DVR is making shitty trance now

@ Dunkelwerk: Nope, Amgod wasn't that bad. As far what I know is that in this long announced Amgod box will feature a new and never released studio album. I don't expect any Trance shitty stuff, CCP wouldn't release something which will break with the styles. So my expectations are really high about both terms, artwork and music...
Maybe too high...???

Just Khazad-Dum coming back will be fine for me. I only liked artists on that sub-label as opposed to CCPn itself

Hm, Khazad-Dum was designed as a sub-label to spread the releases through a different German distributor (SPV). Finally it was built to have all the Electro/EBM bands on board, CCP itself was then more into the Wave/Gothic field (distributor: EFA). I think Severe Illusion is planned to be on Khazad-Dum. Check out: www.celtic-circle-productions.de, www.severeillusion.com

Aaah, Bernhard: CCP announces the release of "Neues Elektro Blut Vol 2" and collects young and new bands for this... a real Side-Line comp with the first chapter...

...it´s not a question of music it´s a question of the persons behind...

@ Dunkelwerk: You are maybe closer to them and know Olli and Peter (yelworC) better than me...? If we talk about the musicians...???

@ Marc: although Side-Line has had a relation with CCP, anno 2004 we have no regret having split with the label so many years ago. And unlike what you may think, I know the whole story from the in- and outside.

We are doing fine now, are close friends with Alfa Matrix and will do any Side-Line related comps on Alfa Matrix only unless some nice proposal would pop up from another label.

As far as CCP now, we don't care really. They can send us promos for review, but we will not allow material to be used from Alfa Matrix bands in order to have CCP label promoted... you kow exactly what I mean, otherwise ask Alfred, your alter ego? :)

@ Hebus: You were on CCP? I don't know who you are or in which band you were involved. Well, it is nice to see that you can laugh about this episode. Other bands really had some more bad experiences (not payed costs for studios/CD productions, never released CD's...). A lot of them splitted up (Axonal Warfare, Absent Minded) or went almost bankrupt (Nigra Nebula) through this. So what can you add here?

@ Side-Line: Hi Bernhard, yes, I expected that you are deep behind the whole story and thanks for your explanation.
So it is with me: I don't wanna start any bad feelings against CCP here, it is more to see the reactions of several persons and friends who were involved to that time and who are luckily alive and doing well in "our" music scene today.
My personal co-operation with Alfred was based on the magazine work with Vertigo, so I send here my best regards to my old comrades, Seba, Benoit, Stephane - and to you, but I think that we have never met us personally...
I had a band named Evil Sermon (He-he, see also "Neues Elektro Blut Vol. 1) to that time - but we were not signed. And today I am signed with my band Synaptic Defect at BLC Productions... So I still have my contact with Alfred but only on discussions about who, where, when and why.
A friendship I have with Severe Illusion, I just did two remix works on new tracks of them. So I have an interest how everything will go with CCP and the new bands...

@marc : hebus is a troll from a comic called 'lanfaust de troy' originally written in french. he is converted through magic to be friendly to humans. my favourite hebus quote : 'hé look a village, lets eat the woman and fuck the cadle' :-)
as for who i really am. i'm len from implant.

as for ccp, at the time when all was happening, we weren't laughing. but all this is like 6 years ago, if you still can't see the humor in all this ...
i mean lets face it, we were young, full of good trust in the world, and in all bands, and we all got fucked over. but we did have a good time and i still have some close contacts from back then.
and when you think of all the bad that happened, just picture alfred under the shower in jail with a 2m black-cellmate asking him to bend over :-)

hmm i think it would have been better to start fresh
perhaps -- under a new name

ccp has too many negative connotations depending on who you know and what stories/perspecitves you have been told


just my .02

@ hebus: Hi Len, nice to see ya (aahm, yes, we did an interview for Vertigo...). I can see all that humor in this, he-he. And this vision under the jail shower, uuhm, hopefully this will never happen to us!!!
@ quewhy: Hm, this is an interesting idea... but I think there was a need to tell this Alfred times before, now it is too late...

Hrmm ccp arent replying to email its seems!

@ Nvisiblensilent: Yeah, to get some answers is the same with the releases: it needs time... But they will be read...

kk

yeah ! We need them back, I loved yelworC, amGod and Putrefy Factor 7, great if you like the more complex and non-dancey/trancey type stuff : )
I wish them all the best of luck on there return.

Hi, i read a lot of bad things about ccp. i remember they had a lot of good compilations. Do you think this isn`t a good label for new bands? I have a young band and we are looking for a new dark electro label and ccp was our favorite.

CCP was one of the BEST electro labels of the 90's along with Zoth Ommog,Off Beat & Hypnobeat.Alfred will rise from the ashes!

There was another great band that splitted as a consequence of the CCP problems. It was called Splatter Squall and they anoounced their return but finally decided not to release new material anymore..... :-(

@ electrofreak: and of the labels you named there, how many remained alive?

Other times, other labels :)

@ kruelspell

I believe you're a founding member of Splatter Squall &i hope you'll reconsider your decision. "The Spell" & "Transcendence" are classic dark electro albums!

@Side-line

Roger that! Off Beat,Hypnobeat &Zoth Ommog no long exist but BR/Noitekk,Out of Line & Trisol have filled the gap!

CCP are not one of the qualitylabels that I remember from the early nineties.
A lot of EBMacts, but no lasting names. More quantity then quality. But who knows, times change.....

Thanks for the discussion you have started Marc.

I don´t know why some of the guys here are such angry on the label especially Len from Implant. What Implant has lost at the label ???

NOTHING - they only had won a plattform for their first releases. Implant has get together with all other bands enough advances in form of CD´s for free. All bands have received money (like advance payments) or CD´s which they could sell but they had never paid to the label. Also all studio costs, etc. had been covered by the label. The label has given the bands in advance for investigation and royalties many CD´s.

Okay, the license and royalties calculations where never done but the costs of the advertising and the promotion will never have reached the success out of the sales of each band.

CCP and KHA had invested very very much in the scene and his bands more than all the bands ever will understand. Only some of the bands have understand in the past what CCP and KHA had done for them.

Also I don´t know why Bernhard can tell such things as he never has been involved in the label like Seba or Benoit from Side-Line.

Why do you think CCP needs a benefit of the bands of your label, Bernhard ???

And why wouldn´t you give support to one of the biggest promotors and supporters of the scene in the past ???

I second that!CPP will get back on track ..Alfred sent me a list of CCP/KD upcoming releases (awesome box-sets &new signings including well established acts) so expect big surprises in 2005

Yes, hopefully CCP and KHA are coming back on the scene with a great vomit and a full package of great releases.

The new signings besides SEVERE ILLUSION are great - visit the websites: www.occculture.com or www.fightthecause.de or www.cradleofspoil.de

I am looking forward on this big surprises on the 10th & 15th aniversary of the labels.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I just got a email from ajkbeast666 saying i didnt email. SO to clear things so i dont get anymore email's Like that.

This is what i emailed CCP. That i have yet to get a responce from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Before you Send someone a email calling them a Lier have your facts strait.

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From : nvisiblensilent <-----------@------------.com>
To : celtic-circle-productions@t-online.de Add to Addressbook
Sent : 03 Nov 2004 18:57:25
Subject : About a Press Release

Hello,

I was wondering if you all had a Press release for Celtic Circle Productions being reopened. If so would it be possible to get a copy for my news page.

Thank you

Ed Riley
aka Nvisiblensilent
www.industriallyrics.com
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THANK YOU HAVE A NICE DAY PLEASE DRIVE THREW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Okay, the license and royalties calculations where never done ..."

...;)

@ ajkbeast666 :

1) I know the whole story, no need to try and distance me from Seba or Benoit.

2) I was rather sparesome in my comments, but you seem to suggest I told big secrets or so?

3) Who said that CCP needs us? I didn't, but since you suggest it...

Do whatever you want to do, just make sure not to release stuff without the ok of the band's involved. OK? Thanks.

@ajkbeast666 : i'm not angry at ccp or alfred. but get your facts right please. implant never got a cent out of ccp. in fact brainFX was released the week alfred disapeared (later turning up being in jail)
i payed for my copies of brainFX. at retail price. so i even had to pay for my own stuff.
tell the truth please. as far as i know only very few bands came out of that story with a little money (never royalties, some with a little advance money). most bands got a few free cd's.

oh man, what an image...;)

Hello Ed, I never mailed you that you are a lier or that you are telling a lie ??? I only said, that I am getting eMails responded. What I should say about your eMail. Maybe CCP will answer your eMail with the news when they have them or when they want to post them. Or maybe your eMail was lost or filtered as spam - nothing new nowadays.

So I can only tell my view of it. The things I know and not more.

Okay, Bernhard. Maybe you know everything or more than me. I know that Seba has mailed with CCP and is in contact with them.

Yes, your comments are coming like big secrets.

I don´t understand what you mean with:

"Do what ever you want to do, just make sure not to release stuff without the ok of the band´s involved. OK? Thanks. ???

@ Dunkelwerk - what do you mean with your COMMENTS ??????

Hey Len, thanks for the clear words about CCP.

About the Brain FX I don´t think that CCP had wanted like this and also as it happend with the release and that you have to buy your own record. So I think it was as it was under this circumstances.

I think I tell the truth and also I know that IMPLANT or the management had received copies of the first 2 releases for selling (merchandise) which they never paid for (so this is also an advance, Len).

And several bands had received good advances and not little advance money besides a good amount of CD merchandise to sell, which they never paid. Of course this are the royalties for the bands for now. Not a few CD´s the bands had get at CCP, they had get enough for private things and for selling. Also the main costs as studio and artwork had been covered by the label. Besides this I know the bands had received this payments and natural advances.

This is the truth !!!

And also what high royalties do you have expected from the label at the underground and also as a young, new and unknown artist ??? See the reality and don´t think that you have lost massive money with your first release - this is a dream - believe me !!!

@ ajkbeast666 : since you are in talks with seba, you know then what i mean. Anyhow, if the label can work again, good luck to them. CCP did support Side-Line back then which is something we valued a lot. For the rest, like I said, those were times then, we are now in 2004.

Hey Bernhard. Thanks for this words. Right, CCP always had supported Side-Line and I know that Seba and Alfred had been friends or they are still. I don´t know. And of course, soon 2005 is coming !!! Thanks again.

I would like to point out here when someone says this:

I have read that you have mailed that CCP is not answering. No this is not true

This can be taken as someone calling someone a lier! Would anyone else agree ???

As for CCP not responding thats fine honestly. I mean hell I work with my fair share of GREAT Labels in this scene. and it started witha simple email like the one i sent to ccp.

Hello Ed,

I don´t understand what you are doing. I only mailed you that I know
that several people (fans, press, etc.) are getting answer like me.

So I can´t believe that you haven´t received an answer. Maybe it was
lost or something other. I never had written that you are a lier ???

What strange you are writting ???

I have visit your site and I think you are doing a good job on promoting
our scene. So why CCP shouldn´t answer your eMail ???

I find no words anymore on your thread ...

You know Forget it. I tried wording it the best i can and i guess im unable to word it properly so you can understand how i came to the conclusion that i did. So im going to leave this topic alone.

@ ajkbeast666: it is nice to see that you bring us some "live" in this topic, so thanks for your contribution. But you are giving us here some decent background infos which can only a person know which stands or stood very close to Alfred/CCP. I would like to know who you really are...

By the way: yesterday I have had a telephone call with Alfred. He didn't know about this topic here but he was very interested in all your comments here...

i´ve heard some tracks by Fight The Cause which sound realy like the old Khazad-Dum times. spooky. but as it seems the album is still postponed...again and again

Good, Ed. Really don´t understand why people also you reacting in forums like that ????

Hi Marc, fine to see you back.

Thanks for your contribution, too and your fresh information about CCP.

I know that Alfred isn´t interested in forums like that. He never was this before, why he should change his mind about this children-like communities.

Oh, and you want to know who I am?

I know you personally from the Popkomm and the Vertigo fanzine stand together with Jan Liebricht many years ago.

I was A & R at a cult electro label which is named as much as CCP here at the forum. And I had shortly my own label!

I have writen at the Zillo Magazine for many years from the very early beginning of the scene.

Yes, I was very very close to Alfred - he is / was a very good friend but I have no contact with him and also I have no own internet connection.

Maybe you come on my name very soon. Follow the channel please.

Yes, Dunkelwerk ... FIGHT THE CAUSE are excellent. I have heard many MPEG-files from them. I don´t care about the postponed release of GET ALL.
This can have several things why a release is delated.

but why don´t you say on which label you were A&R?

Dunkelwerk, you know this label - you have posted it as one of your favourite I mean in another topic.

out of line? not my favourite label but for sure a big one with some cool acts.

No, beware - yes, they have some great acts. The label is not existing anymore. And I mean a cult label like CCP.

zoth ommog? ..;)

You said it ...

i can remember someone from zoth ommog who was called "eisdealer"...;)

Oh, no - this one was SVEN FREUEN, my best friend in the past. But I have lost his contact many years ago when he left ZOT.

ah yes, his real name was sven now i remember.
ok i give up. i don´t think you are mr. ostermann or torben...;)

Good.

Sven and me had work together at ZOT.

No, Dennis and Torben have been after us at ZOT.

My name is Alex.

Or my friends named me: LEXI.

ah so you are one of the very few people who have seen the start of this all back in the days...;) cool. how sad that the days of glory are over.

No, Dunkelwerk - you are not right with this.

The days of glory are not over as 2 cult label: CCP/KHA and Danse Macabre are reactivated last year. Both labels CCP/KHA and Danse Macabre will release 2005 new artists, compilations and several old stuff. 2005 will be the year of return of glory.

Bruno and Alfred are two of the "old" and biggest organizators (concerts, parties and events, etc.) and promoters in the scene. Both have done many for the development of the scene to nowadays.

And I have read that the old festivals like NIGHT OF DARKNESS, DARK X-MAS and DARK EASTER will come back from Alfred. Bruno is very active with DAS ICH and GOTHIC GENERATION.

I think Alfred and Bruno are planning to do things together next year as they are friends nearly 15 years now.

Most of the cancelled CCP/KHA cd's (Splatter Squall "Cruel";Sleepwalk "The Icy Top"; Absent Minded etc) will be released in ltd box-sets & expect big surprises

Hello Electrofreak, I had heard this only here at the clubs as rumours. So it seems to be that this cool stuff will be releases as well as Bruno posted a release of ALVA NOVALIS. GREAT, guys what do you want ???

These are NOT rumours..the box-sets will come out in summer 2005!
I'm sure Bruno Kramm (DAS ICH/Danse Macabre) has unreleased Placebo Effect material (PRECIOUS stuff)& i hope he'll work with CCP/KHA

Hi Lexi,
now I know - ha, the good old times. He haven't had our best contact to that time with Vertigo and Zoth Ommog, but this could also belong to a childish behaviour of Jan for example. I remember that he was very upset here and there with you and the work you did with Zoth...
Anyway, this times are over now, Jan and also Andreas aren't in the scene anymore so you can say that I am the last "indian" of the Vertigo crew.

Alfred and I also tried to figure out who you are, but we couldn't both solve this riddle, ha-ha.

The story with the upcoming boxsets I have also heard from Alfred. I fear some problems here. The re-release of some stuff from bands which have made their way on other labels could couse several problems with the rights. I name SLEEPWALK here, I have haerd their stuff which was designed for "The Icy Top" but I think that all of this stuff did find its way on their after-coming releases on Scanner. Sleepwalk is not a band which stopped with the demise of CCP, be careful, Alfred, when you plan to release this...

Hey Marc,

yes the good old times ...

VERTIGO will be the best ELECTRO MAGAZINE forever !!!

Oh, yes - I remember Jan Liebricht - there had been some disputs with him and this several times for ZOTH OMMOG releases and co-operation especially for the sampler CD´s.

I ever hadn´t understand that Jan and Andreas had been active in the scene as they never been scene people ever. Andreas was sometimes good and sometimes more than strange in working with him.

Ah, yes ... I can believe that you and Alfred had been wondering about my postings.

As I know from the contracts which we and CCP had, the re-release and the release of unreleased stuff is possible without any problems with the rights as the recordings are exclusive given from the artist(s) to the label. This is the case also with bands which had been signed to another label.

So I believe that Alfred knows his contract and what he is doing and this he is doing carefully.

I have read about the new AMGOD box set released on: 10.01.2005 and that the new artists and several other releases as CRADLE OF SPOIL, FIGHT THE CAUSE, OCCCULTURE, SEVERE ILLUSION and EVE OF DESTINY will be release in the first months of the new year 2005. GREAT !!! Someone with more news ???!!!

NO NEWS ANYMORE ????????????????????????????????????

Besides all this negative feedback, Marc has get.

What are the positive masters on CCP / KHA in the past
and the comeback ???

Give me pro and contra - please ...

Does all the negative polarized on Alfred as the label boss himself ?

What do you think on the today's labels and their activists ?

What could be better in your eyes ?

Hi Lexi,
thanks for your words here, my friend.

Pos.: Good that Alfred tries to come back, especially the bands - as far as I have heard their stuff - deserve to get out now. I hope and I wish Alfred all the best for this. CCP / KHA will bring back some "life" to our scene and I also think that Alfred really knows, how he has to come out in both cases art (the boxsets seem to have an outstanding look) and music (I am sure he will avoid too overrated and a thousand times styles like shitty F-Pop or so...).

Neg.: What I fear is that too many people still have in mind about all that happenings especially from press plants and distributors. Alfred could get problems...

Finally I hope the best for him to have a successful comeback!

Hello Marc, thanks for your words. I have found out that the AMGOD BOX
will be in the shops at the end of January 2005 by a notice from SPV at PHONONET (internet distribution plattform for CD dealers).

I think you are right about the artworks posted at several websites of CRADLE OF SPOIL, OCCCULTURE, FIGHT THE CAUSE and EVE OF DESTINY. Also the artwork of AMGOD. It seems to be that Alfred is doing themself or works in this as in the past. I have read this in an interview from one of the new acts of CCP / KHA.

I don´t believe, too that CCP will release shit music or FUTUREPOP !!!

The negative things I see not in press plants or distribution as SPV is doing
this for CCP as it seems to be at the moment.

Seems to be that I will have to post soon many news on the label activities of CCP and KHA.

Alfred will let play on his NIGHT OF DARKNESS SUMMER OPEN-AIR FESTIVAL all CCP / KHA artists besides many others. Seems to be a BIG FESTIVAL AND PARTY !!!

@ ajkbeast666 : you are the most professional 'up-up' poster....

@ajkbeast666

You're right CCP won't release FUTUREPOP CRAP &i'm sure Night of Darkness Festival will be a huge success.Long live dark elektro & CCP/KHA!!!

euphoria here you are!
you promote this label as if you are a member of it...;) who knows.
make a better webpage, the one online is...well you know.

@ Dunkelwerk:

Everything is so bad, so evil, and for you so hopeless - why everytime that negative, man?
Let them spread their euphoria and do not always search for the hair in the soup...

...wahhhhhh! you are the devil!

aahmm, no, not really... What gave you this feeling?

@Dunkelwerk

I don't care what you think of CCP/KHA LIKE IT OR NOT they've an AWESOME backcatalogue & their upcoming releases will ROCK the electro scene.ajkbeast666 has the right to voice his opinion...period

electrofreak:Very true but perhaps it should be done in the "plug" section of the forum?

Rivetmike

Also I can accept euphoria, but I'm really fed up of true believers of the industrial verb who goes around saying nice things like "...futurepop crap...".

It seems that electrofreak and ajkbeast666 take quite delight in slandering others firsthand...

@ Electrofreak: right, man!!!

@ rivetmike: also correct, but E-Freak responded on Dunkelwerks comments here... Also here are enough threads which should be better included to the "plug" section, and to my taste, E-Freak and Lexi (ajkbeast666) are mostly trying to fill in something with a look to the topic...

@x**

To each his own.I HATE futurepop but i've never bashed VNV ,Covenant, Apop (& da clones) & they've a huge fanbase.Debaters should stay on topic: CCP/KHA is an awesome electro label .YelworC,Amgod,Splatter Squall, Page 12 etc have released dark electro classics &no one can take that away from CCP.The upcoming releases:Amgod box-set, Severe Illusion DCD etc will set new standards for dark elektro.Futurepoppers need not apply!

i thought Severe Illusion is on DSBP...

@Dunkelwerk

Severe Illusion are signed to DSBP (North America) & KHA/CCP (Europe)

I noticed the rebirth of CCP online and the news of the forthcoming AmGod boxset.

I feel Alfred can make a new start with CCP, and with sincere intentions & follow up actions he can rebuild his reputation within the global alternative electronic scene.

I myself am very close to Alfred, yet have not spoken to him for about 1yr, before that maybe 7 yrs.

However, we were like brothers, he treated me with respect and was very kind and generous to me. As I was to him, as a guest from another nation.

Therefore, I wish him all the luck with all his efforts to rebuild his empire.

Marc, do you remember us getting very drunk in Koln?, you were so out of it you were late to turn up for Popkomm the next morning!.

We had a great time, that German lager is so fine!, 6am+ going to bed.

The Night Of Darkness I attended seems to be the one AmGod has released, I was very impressed that night at the mechanics of the German scene, compared to the UK counterparts.

That was a great night, highlights for me were AmGod and Paracont performances. Dominik seemed a nice guy on meeting him after the show.

What did you think the Bloodline label, I had talked with them about a deal for myself in 2002, but didn't feel the vibe was right between us, so passed on it.

I thought Id add my view to this debate on CCP.

Best wishes to all.

@ Krusafix (Red Sekta right?)

Are you working on new material?

Yes, Im working on new marterial as KRUSAFIX.

I had 3 Albums , 1 EP, 1 Single out as Krusafix on my own label 2001-2003.

Did you see the online magazine Elektra I had running? 2001-2003.

I had my father die in my arms, was breathing for him for 20minsb4 paramedics came, he didnt respond to their treatments, then my mother almost died with grief via a stroke and then seizures as a side effect, then my girlfriend left me with our new born baby at same time due to all the problems of the situation, was hell on earth for a time.

I had got the Krusafix guise rolling well when that all happend, but stopped it all as my personal life became pure chaos.

@Krusafix

Sorry to hear that.I'm sure you'll bounce back!!

I plan to get a new site online for Krusafix and release a new album in the late summer via my own label Neurogenik Transmissions.

If your not familiar with Krusafix, its a unique complex fusion of Cyber-Gothic, Dark-Techno, Hard-Beat, Progressive-Industrial, Electro, Neo-Trance, EBM, Avant-Garde Electronica music genres.

If Alfred has plans for a new Dark compilation Im sure I'll be on it!.

Myself & Alfred talked last year of Krusafix and CCP working together.

I had been making great progress writing and recording 12-15 tracks for a new album, planned for release in the Summer 2002.

Also on a tribute to CABARET VOLTAIRE, via "THE WEB", a CV song taken from the 1985 album "THE COVENANT, THE SWORD AND THE ARM OF THE LORD".

The KRUSAFIX remixed cover version of "THE WEB" was to feature on the fourth KRUSAFIX album "SINS OF THE FLESH".

And a Special Edition Remix CD EP of KRUSAFIX "THE WEB" to be released
shortly after the "SINS OF THE FLESH" album.

It didnt get released, so I was looking to Bloodline Records in Germany, and had talked to Alfred and Mute Records, Kinetic Records, Platipus Records.

And decided to wait until I was ready and not just try to get it out for the sake of it.

So Sins Of The Flesh, The Web, The Web SE Remix will all be released this year from early summer onwards.

The Krusafix Cyber Angel EP, Infernal Sky Album, Temptation Album, Ascent Album, Cyber Angel Single will all be avaliable again from the shop on the forthcoming new Krusafix site, etc.

Im open to compilation offers.

I had talked with Frank Tovey when I met him on tour with DM and while he was working on new marterial, we had talked about me doing a few remixes of his new songs as he had a copy of Infernal Sky. So his passing was a big shock to me personally, he was my main influence back in the day, and I was so looking forward to his impact on a new generation with new material.

He told me many things, I had a million and one questions.

However, the show must go on!.

Best wishes.

@ Krusafix:

Hi DARRYL!!!!
Damned, what were we drunken in Cologne!!!
But it was a great time, a great event, a nice hotel bar, and a little bit angry Alfred next morning, tz,tz,tz... Uuuhm, after all that mad drinking someone could easily forget all that what happened there...

I am sorry to hear that bad happenings around your family...
Hope you are doing better now...

It is nice to have you back with music and at this forum. I hope we can meat sometime again, maybe to drink a beer, or two, or three...

All the best to you, and keep on your music stuff

@ KRUSAFIX:

Dear Darrel (so it is correct I think...),

please make your contact again and drop Alfred an email under celtic-circle-productions@t-online.de
I have told Alfred yesterday about your being here and he wants your contact again.
All the best

Marc

@ Marc

Could you please tell Alfred i said Hi!

Thanks,

Nader

@ Marc

Are PF7 & Splatter Squall working on new material???Alfred has many surprises up his sleeve:)))

@ Nader:

Hi,
yes, I do! Yesterday I have send Don of PF7 a mail but he hasn't answered until now. I'll keep ya informed!

well if it does happen i'll be suprised i lost all respect for alfred when he screwed the bands he had ............im sure some of the sideline staff have some stories to tell..........great label(s) to bad crime doesnt pay

@marc do you know why ccp went under.........if not try to find out it would be wrong to post the reasons but lets say he has no place in this scene after the stunt he pulled ..........i will not send that man any money again no matter how good or how bad i want it.....

@ oldschool: This is what we can find in this topic all around included by bands/projects/persons, which seem to be close to everything what Alfred did.
I know pretty well what happened to that time, I think more the most of the members of this forum here. Some bands had really had "bad luck" (if we can call it so...?) with the kind how CCP worked and maybe more over how CCP stopped.
I will never post here all what I know, also because that I had that luck not to be too much from the financically side in this. I was active with the Vertigo magazine and we had our first massive problems around March 1997. We then also ended up our co-operation with CCP. CCP broke together almost at the fall of 1997 but we expected this sooner. We were almost in a save condition to that time also that this did cause the end of this magazine.
I don't blame Alfred of what did happen, times have changed for me and I wish him the very best for his comeback. If YOU cannot follow this in any case - then this is your problem...

@ oldschool

"he has no place in this scene" Is that right?

Everyone deserves a second chance!Like it or not CCP is back on track &their upcoming releases ROCK!!!!Severe Illusion is the best harsh EBM act &they're gonna rule the electro scene

to rule the electro scene is quite difficult...;)

Hello Marc, yes - I agree with you about CCP and Alfred.
This are good words from you - thank you.

I hope the people would understand your words.

But as I know that hate and negative words are easier
to talk. Good and positive things on what happend in
the past on CCP are not such easy but they are there.

The most positive point on which mainly the bands never
think is that they had on CCP the chance to release which
have been given not from other labels at that time - also
not on ZOTH OMMOG and others.

Think on that before you writing shit or negative words
on CCP.

@ Krusafix - Maybe you remember me, Darrel ? We have
met each other at the POPKOMM 1997 and have been talking
at the festival also. You are a good man.

@Dunkelwerk

Action speaks louder than words...It's just a matter of time until Severe Illusion DOMINATE the harsh electro scene

@ajkbeast666

CCP RULES!!FORGET THE REST, GET THE BEST

You are a good man, Nader ... And you are true about SEVERE ILLUSION - they are really good - buy the first album and you will be impressed !!!

ok yes ccp was a great label...........but electrofreak/marc do you know why ccp died..........not because of lack of talent,ideas ...........but because of what 1 person did...........he got a second chance......the appeal failed.

ccp(and sublabel) was and always will be my fav label...loved the bands enough to fly half way around the world to see a night of darkness in germany in 93 ithink.

my apologies if angered anyone i nevr post negative comments about the scene ive been listening to it since well nevermind......ive done nothing but support it for the last 20 years and still do.....but i dont support alfred.side-line put it best some people learn from there mistakes....lets hope alfred did.

sorry i wont post the reasons why i feel this way........as much as i want to but the forum belongs to side-line and considering they got screwed twice (as side-line and as aibo) and have been nothing but professional about the situation. is why i havent it would just cause crap that would hurt the scene and its all about the music

so i hope this works out for the bands......

@ Marc

Nice to hear from you again!

I will contact Alfred shortly, Im working on a new website, still much to do regarding design and content, etc.

http://www.krusafix.co.uk/

Its only been active online since 26th Jan 05, Im happy with the progress in that time from nothing, but still only 5% completed so far out of the 100%.

Yes, we must have other meetings sometime Marc, maybe Popkomm 2005?.

Will Alfred have a stand there this year?.

@ ajkbeast666

Remind me of our conversation at the Night of Darkness Festival?.
Popkomm? did we meet while I was at the CCP stand or out at night?
I talked to almost everyone during the Popkomm, define our meeting for me please!

@ oldschool: Carefully said, I appreciate this. Too much negative stuff won't help to find reasons and explanations...
I did recieve your personal email and I will answer on some terms... but not here in this forum.

@ Krusafix: Popkomm has moved to Berlin, shit! I don't know if Alfred will be there, sorry. Send him an email, he is waiting for you...

@ Nader: no news from PF7... I will ask Alfred about this...

@ ajkbeast666: thanx, Lexi. I'm trying to say what was said before, and not to fill in here too much "real" reasons...

@Marc

Check The Severe Illusion thread.Mr genius Dunkelwerk passed his judgement on Severe Illusion.It's kinda funny..A rookie bashing an act WAY OUT OF HIS LEAGUE...talk is cheap Dunkelwerk....Show US what you've got: your cheesy amateurish programming is no match to Severe Illusion's complex sound.The truth hurts..

@ Nader: ... and I've missed their gig here in Rostock on Jan. 8th!!! Shame on me!!! But I am standing almost daily in a good email contact with Ulf... Talk to him soon again...

@ Nader: I have not heard Dunkelwerk's stuff, only one track on a BLC comp, so I will not judge on him...

@Marc

I'm in daily contact with Ulf as well.What do you think of Mr Genius Dunkelwerk's comment?I'm just curious

@Marc

No need to pass judgement on Dunkelwerk's sound.It's just another (bad) Wumpscut clone


@Dunkelwerk

Listen to Severe Illusion cd's before you open your mouth..You could NEVER compete with them!!!

@ Nader: let the Dunkelwerk do what he likes to do. As far what I have read that this guy is more based in Trance music stuff, than on this Hellektro thing. So maybe it is impossible for him to tell us here if SI have club hits or not - he's maybe visiting different clubs... Yes, and a die-hard :W: fan he is - I think he will find his audience with his music...
Like the Severe Illusion will find their audience!!! It is not fair to compare both, they are musically too different I think...

Hello Oldschool, I am in contact with Alfred and I think he has learnt from the past - believe me and thanks for your words. What do you think about the way of dead of Zoth Ommog ???

@ Darrel - you have a nice website - have to visit it from time to time. Do you have released this CD´s yourself and do you have them on stock for
ordering ??? We meet us at CCP stand and on the festival at the evening. We have talk very much and long also with Alfred together. About the POPKOMM 2005 - I don´t think that Alfred is going to it anymore are it is only commercialism since 1996 / 1997. You will met him on all the festivals like WGT, M´era Luna, Zillo and his own Night Of Darkness Summer-Open-Air-Festival.

I haven´t heard any stuff of Dunkelwerk - he should release his music and than we can discuss about it. I can talk about the great stuff of Severe Illusion but not about Dunkelwerk. I am DJ, please mail me you promo stuff, Dunkelwerk !!!

ajk:you mention that people should think before writing negative words on CCP.Of course I agree but on lots of other subjects you show nothing but negativity.

Just seems a bit of an anomaly to me.

Rivetmike

i can´t send you promos! i stopped Dunkelwerk because electrofreak hates it...;)

Ha-ha-ha, sarcasm all around....

MHMMMM ... I don´t know what is anormaly, Rivetmike ...

Oh, Dunkelwerk - what a fuck ... So I never can discover your stuff !!!

@ Rivetmike:

I like always your decent and well informed inputs here. So could you give us a hint where ajkbeast666 was that negativ?
I'm just curious of what you will find...

ajk:An anomaly is something that does not show a consistent pattern.

Marc:I'm thinking to over enthusiastic bashing of DAC and major labels primarily.

It just seems at time that people can get over defensive if you catch my drift.

Rivetmike

@Dunkelwerk

Awww tooo bad!!! "SAD"

@Rivetmike

I like your definition of anomaly.It's good to be consistent "chirp""chirp".

@Dunkelwerk

I'm sure you'll send me signed copy of your debut album "chirp""chirp"

a signed copy*

Dunkelwerk's debut inspired by Electrofreak "KIDDING"

Aha, thanks for your explanation, Rivetmike.

hi! been here for some time and finally decided to write something.
Could you tell me more about those horror ccp stories?
I had so much fun reading all this! :) I had even more fun because I'm sure that person hidding under the nickname 'ajkbeast666' is Alfred himself.
you can't full me!

@acfnana

Sorry to disappoint you:Ajkbeast666 isn't Alfred

@ acfnana:

AND WHO ARE YOU, by the way?

Yes, I expected this at the first time like you. But I have phoned Alfred about this, he was wondering that there is somebody who uses a DJ pseudonym (ajkbeast666) of Alfred as his name. We couldn't really figured out who could be the person behind this and that this person knows so much internal CCP things. But finally, also with that "Zoth Ommog" and "Major labels" topics in mind I believe that ajkbeast666 is nobody else than Alex (Lexi)...

Lexi, can you help and give an explanation...?

Hello Acfnana, great that you have fun about reading this topic. It is your freedom to think that I am Alfred from CCP. I can tell you, that my name is Alexander and I was in the past A & R at Zoth Ommog.

I know many details around and inside of CCP. Alfred is a very close friend from me and it seems to be that Nader and Marc are very close to him, too. I know many internals and also I am mailing with him since nearly 2 weeks now.

We have phoned also very very long and he told me many fresh news and plans. I have received the new stuff of CCP and I can tell you that the new and forthcoming records will be very excellent.

what's interesiting is that both of you (alex, alfred) use exactly the same English...I mean you make the same mistakes and the way you make sentences .Everything is the same.I know lots of Germans but none of them speak English this way. It's kinda interesting

Anyway, could you tell me more about those ccp stories?I'm really interested

... I won't do, here's enough said and done...

@acfnana

Why don't YOU tell us your story?YOU sound very interesting

PS;Don't you think it's mean to poke fun at ajkbeast666 command of the english language?

hey, I didn't mean to poke fun at anybody.Most of us make mistakes ( so am I) but the way ajkbeast666 makes them makes me think of only one person.
Unfortunatelly I don't have any story to tell you and that's why I'm so interested in ccp's past.

Hello Acfnana,

really strange your words about my person.

I don´t know how Alfred is writing English. I am translating my German words partly with a translator in the net as my English isn´t really good enough in writing and talking.

Also I don´t know many words to write in English. Maybe Alfred is using this German translator website, too.

What s t o r i e s do you want to hear from me ?

I think everything is said at this topic already and I agree with Nader and Marc.

Do you want to have more exactly information and why do you not contact Alfred d i r e c t l y and ask him ? Please see above his email address.

What do you want to hear from me about the p a s t of CCP ?
Negative or positive things ?

What is y o u r n a m e and why are you r e a l l y i n t e r e s t e d in this stories and rumours about CCP ?

What is your personal interest ?

@ acfnana

We are not here to spread "funny stories" of CCP to the world outside. Most of the forum members have had personal experiences with CCP in past, positive or negative.
I have totally the same opinion like Electrofreak and ajkbeast666:
I would like to hear YOUR story and personal interest in this.
Have I made this position clear, Mr/Mrs Acfnana???

@Marc

I just e-mailed you!Oh man,the remixes ROCK.Keep up the good work

PS;I think Dunkelwerk should listen to both tracks then voice his humble opinion:)

no time, no time. you are promoting so wonderfull here you don´t need any other comments besides your own. have fun sweet heart...;)

Hey Marc, thanks on your clear words to Acfnana.

Why are you such like this, Dunkelwerk. I would like to hear your music and than I will post my opinion on your stuff.

psssst... do not disturb Dunkelwerk... he's feeding the birds on his balcony...

indeed! amateurish dark electro imitating :w: can be found here:
http://www.myspace.com/dunkelwerk

Hey Dunkelwerk, thanks for the link. I have heard your 3 tracks there.

Such bad isn´t your stuff as Nader is posting. I think he is doing more joking on you. As you are reacting such heavy and with high emotions on his postings he like it make you mad.

ajk:I don't see any evidence of Dunkelwerk getting mad,I just see the same users getting mad on this forum and Dunkelwerk is never one of them.

Rivetmike

high emotions?
i´m standing on my balcony feeding sweet birds, watching the sun on the sky...and i´m whistling Erasure´s Always. there´s only love and peace in my heart. ha!

@ Rivetmike, Dunkelwerk:

... and that's what this is all about... have fun, guys:)

@ Lexi:

das war doch wohl klar, oder?

@ all: finally, can we try to fill in more stuff which fit with the topic?

@Marc

Your remix of "Natural Causes" is KEWL! SEVERE ILLUSION RULE!!!They continue to set the benchmark for excellence through unsurpassed craftsmanship, complex programming & harsh beats

@ Nader:

Nice to hear that, thanks. But please take care to hold that stuff for your own enjoyment. That stuff is not released until now and we are still looking for a comp to provide this...
I am still waiting for a second remix done by Ulf for a new track from me...

@ Marc

Sure thing;)

Okay, Rivetmike. I don´t think that I am getting mad from this topic.

Great, that you are like this, Dunkelwerk. Congratulations.

Yes, Marc. I hope to read more on the content of this topic. So, you mailing unreleased stuff around and Nader is a lucky man.

Yes, but pssssttt....

ajk:I never said that you were,chill dude.

Rivetmike

Hehehe - I understand, Rivetmike.

I think you all misunderstood. I wanted to know more about ccp's past not because I wanted to laugh but becouse of my own( and not only)interest.
my story?All I can say I that Alfred cannot be trusted and most of the things he says ale only empty words.enough?more?
There're lots of people/bands complaining about him.They say the guy has never anything on time and it's really hard to work with him.enough?
Maybe it would help them if they knew more about label's past.
I hope I made myself clear this time ;)

btw: were can i check some snippets of synaptic defect? do you have a webpage?

@ ajkbeast666

Hi Lexi, yes I released them via Neurogenik Transmissions, my own label.

All releases with be available online at my site via the produkt store and paypal services, etc.

From that point onwards distribution to other stockists will take place.

Best wishes.

Hey Acfnana,

when I read your words, I hear what the people have said about Talla to me. Really strange that it seems to be that there are parallel views of the people on both persons.

Do you know this things you are writing about Alfred from other people or do you know them yourself ?

Do you know Alfred personally and what is your name ?

Why do you think a topic like this can make things clear for you ?

Why do you not contacting Alfred personally as Marc, Nader and me are doing ?

Ask also Darrel (Krusafix) about everything as he was and maybe is a very close friend of Alfred ?

Hey Darrel,

thanks for your answer about your releases. I have to check your website
and webshop again.

Are you in contact now with Alfred again ?

I have mailed him about you and your threads in this topic and also Marc as I know. He has not your email-address or an old one.

@ajkbeast666

Lexi don't get aggravated..it isn't worth it.Acfnana thrive on gossip "chirp"

@Acfnana

CCP bands are on good terms with Alfred.Thank you for showering concern..that's very thoughtful of you!

What I loved about this label is the stuff on it like yelworC, AmGod, Red Sekta wernt disco/clubified and were pretty complex and aggressive too, I hope the label continues to go in that direction but modernise, if so, then it could well be the future of that music...again.

@Cyrax

CCP/KHA backcatalogue (YelworC,Amgod,Page 12,Splatter Squall to name a few) is impressive & now they're back on track!Severe Illusion are taking the elektro scene to the next level. Their sophomore release "Accomplishments of Leopold II" LTD DCD (CCP)Europe/CD (DSBP) North America will kick hellektro/generic dark elektro to the curb.

Alfred has signed lesser-known bands (Fight The Cause,Occulture & Provoqate) & the best is yet to come!He has BIG surprises up his sleeve:)

@ Dunkelwerk:

Huuuups, no website given... You better avoid Syn Def. The music is boring and the guy sucks...
The noise this guy produces will disturb your freedom on your balcony. THINK ABOUT THE BIRDS. Okay, I have warned you. If you still have an interest in this more than amateurish crap, check this:

http://www.blcmusic.com/Samples/12%20-%20Synaptic%20Defect%20--%20Mechanical%20Oppression%20--%20Surgical%20Bombs%20(still%20bombing%20remix)(clip).mp3

or this:

http://www.blcmusic.com/Samples/05%20-%20Synaptic%20Defect%20--%20Mechanical%20Oppression%20--%20Imperfection%20(clip).mp3

Boring EBM/Electro wannabee, right?

besides all our beloved sarcasm i would make a webpage. it helps a lot in this small scene. if someone searches you he can find you. a very simple, cheap and usefull promotiontool.

@ Dunkelwerk: Yep, Du bist nicht der Erste, der das sagt...

myspace.com ist ganz lustig, blc ist da ja auch.

Ja, ich weiß, hab mich damit aber noch nicht mit beschäftigt...
Über kurz oder lang führt an einer Webseite kein Weg vorbei...

@ Electrofreak

Thats good he's signed more lesser known acts, I tend to prefer the lesser known acts these days when it comes to that kind of music because it wont be discofied or trendy. I wish CCP all the best of luck...

@ CYRAX:

right said, when I have the choice to buy a new Hocico, Wumpscut or SC CD or for the same money a debut CD by a young and promising newcomer band from which I have heard before two - three snippets I would choose the newbie!!! Refreshing new names bring in mostly refreshing new music.

@ Marc

Yeah I agree. And alot of the more known bands in that music style have really softened up, Wumpscuts a good example, but who cares about that when we have yelworC who are much better in my opinion anyway :)

are those new ccp bands any good?I'm curious :)

@acfnana

www.fightthecause.de

www.occulture.de

www.cradleofspoil.de

CYRAX: Yes, I second that. There are still out there a few "old daddys" who really know how to hit and they show this on current releases, yelworC is a great example of this.
Unfortunatly the most of the well known acts DO NOT SO...

Hey, what are you producing by the way now (time to plug in here..:)?

@ acfnana:
yes, stay curious!
Maybe you like the music of [ fight the cause ]?
Music examples are on the webpage too.
Greetings to all from Halle/ Saale/ East Germany

(I have been surprised for such an interest about the CCP-Label in this forum ...)

@ FTCmicha:

The interest is huge because CCP was huge in the 90's - now your label polarizes the masses... as you can easily see here...
Good luck for you!

5-10 people are no mass...;)

@ FTCmicha

The Phoenix has risen from the ashes!LONG LIVE CCP/KHA

@ Dunkelwerk:

It was meant to the whole scene - this might be more than your 5 - 10 people...maybe...?

@ Marc

Iv never really posted my music here because I dont think people here would really like it, but I have a few tracks on a crappy soundclick site (Forsaken, Beneath an iron sun, The great relapse), I plan to release a CD this year though :)

http://www.soundclick.com/tourian

Hey Cyrax, yes. Here and see the new acts. They are pretty good and the releases are coming very soon as the amGod Box Set has already been released the others are following very very soon as I know. Nader has the same information and Marc seems to have talked about this with Alfred, too.

Nader, I have received a list of scheduled releases for this year of Alfred and I think there are mayn surprices.

@ajkbeast666

Hey Lexi,

Glad to hear that!Feel free to forward the list:)

Marc, without the refreshing newcomers like you and Dunkelwerk but also the new signings of CCP and other labels our scene will be deadly boring. The difficulty is to bring this newcomers to the buyers. CCP was in the past one of the biggest promoters and scene generators in our scene. And as Alfred said to me he will awake many old festival series with new events and concerts this year already.

Hey Nader, for this I better ask at first Alfred. He has send me this list private I think.

@Lexi

No worries, i'll get it from Alfred:) I know he's in touch with many cult acts!

Yes, Nader. Better Alfred is mailing you the list himself. I don´t think that he want to have it posted here. I know about several contacts and great artists he is in contact with. Let us see the surprices in the future of CCP.

Acfnana, we haven´t read from you some days ???

@ FTCMicha.

Can you tell us your opions and reasons why you have signed to CCP ?

I think the main discussion is about the person of Alfred ?

What do you think on him personally ? You have the freshest information about Alfred as you are an artist of CCP ?

Hey Lexi

Severe Illusion "Accomplishments of Leopold II" DCD is coming out on March 7th!

Hello Nader, yes.

I have received from Alfred a DJ-promo-copy of the album. You posted taht you are in contact with Ulf. Do you have heard the album already ???

I is pure great electro EBM with industrial elements and "Genau wie Du" is a HAMMER track - a forthcoming definate club hit what will attack the scene dancefloors.

Also the album "Cortex" of Occculture is superb great. It will blow everything away shortly in the clubs - there are massive club attack stuff on the album like Cenophobia.

I like the album "Get All" of Fight The Cause, too. Think the first track No. 1 will be a club hit.

Cradle Of Spoil´s "Seelenleben" is really good and I believe that there will be a great vomit with the new singer of them.

Ask Alfred to send you promo stuff.

Cool beans!

I like beans in tomato sauce together with grilled ham.

:))))

as for new ccp bands I'm quite surprised!he even signed one Polish band!

Oh, yes. Where do you know this. What is the name of this band ? There is only one band I don´t know for now named Provoqate.

What is your name, acfnana ?

my name won't tell you anything.I know it's Polish band because I've read it on this forum(they're from Stettin,right?).

On this forum ? Strange but there are so many threads and topics.

But what information do you have on them - maybe they are from Stettin ?

So than you can tell us your name, when it tells us nothing.

@ajkbeast666

well, ok then...my name is Michal and I'm from Warsaw,Poland.
And yes I have found it on this forum...and It was posted by you
"NEW ACTS OF CCP:

CRADLE OF SPOIL FROM FRANKFURT, GERMANY
EVE OF DESTINY FROM TOKIO, JAPAN
FIGHT THE CAUSE FROM HALLE, GERMANY
OCCCULTURE FROM FRANKFURT, GERMANY
PROVOQATE FROM STETTIN, POLAND
SEVERE ILLUSION FROM SWEDEN"
see?

Ah yes, maybe Michal.

I have copied it from an eMail or posting at the net. Therefore I hadn´t remembered it.

Cool, welcome greetings to Warsaw, Poland.

Do you have been in contact with Alfred ? What is your relation to CCP ?
Are you a fan or activist in the Polish scene ?

no I'm not activist .I'm just a music fan ( I love almost all kinds of music).
in fact I'm close friend of girls from Provoqate and their biggest(and maybe first) fan. I didn't know they were signed to ccp because they didn't want to tell me the name of the label ;)

Hello Michal, this is really interesting.

I haven´t heard the stuff of your friends from Provoqate till now. Alfred will send me a copy when it is ready.

So do you know other releases of CCP and do you have heard from CCP before ?

I don´t understand why your friends won´t tell you that they signed to CCP.

How are your friends in life and how is their music ?

What do they tell you on Alfred ?

You have written in earlier threads what you think Alfred can´t be trusted ?

From where do you know this ?

Or do you only think this because of this topic ?

well to be honest although we're good friends they don't tell me a lot about their work.they like to keep things for themselves(they're bit weird haha).what I say are my own thoughts and opinions.
what can I tell you about their life and music?I respect their privacy so I wont tell anything.All I can say is that thay're great friends to me,they're beautiful and talented girls and I wish them all the best.

weird thread...

21...

What is weird here? Please explain...

why do you three have so much love and energy for this label?

Love is something I have to offer to my kids and my wife.

I have included this thread times before to inform and to bring something new. I received here a lot of interesting comments on the label, the persons behind this plus a lot of good and well known people which still have an interest or had experiences with it. From time to time this topic went far away from it's meaning but it still has enough interesting to offer.
I wouldn't say that I spent too much energy in this...

So what can you fill in?

by your nicklink i see you are on blc. nice label. will there be a cooperation with ccp? i think both labels offer an harsh electronic sound. could fit together. joining forces might be good.

Hello Michal, thanks for your words about your friends.

You have posted in one of your threads that you think that Alfred can´t be trusted in what he is saying and that all are empty words from him.

From where do you have this information ?

Are your friends saying this about Alfred ?

What do they think or saying about Alfred and CCP ?

Do you know where your friends are recording and when the album will be finished ?

@ 21JumpStreet - CCP is one of the best labels for me - therefore I love it.

I ever liked the releases early before I learnt Alfred personally know. Alfred had become over the years a very close friend from me.

So I think there is no effort enough to hold against the negative things about CCP.

Besides negative things are always positive to find. But it is easier to tell negative things and the people like to write and talk more negative things. And than the people forget the posítive things always very easily.

Cool idea on a co-operation of CCP and BLC. What do you think on that, Marc ?

Is CCP only "Alfred" or are there some more guys working for this label? I think they were quite big in the early 90 so i´m sure it is more than only one person.

As far as I know is Alfred working together with his girlfriend and some friends from the German independent media on CCP for the moment.

He said to me that he wants to employ soon some people.

Also he offered me a job at CCP. I had to think about it.

In the past at CCP there were different and several people employed for promotion, studio works, graphics, etc. More information I don´t have for you.

then good luck if you take this job! it is for sure quite cool to work for a label. at least i think it is. i don´t know...;) could also be difficult to promote the music you like but having not the big money of the mayor labels. but with some friends from the underground media like zillo, sonic seducer or whoever they work with ccp will get a chance. or is zillo mayor? i can remember i read one and there were some very big acts in it. but it was in german and my german is terrible.

@ 21jumpStreet
ccp is only Alferd

@ajkbeast666
is not that I have informations that Alfred cannot be trusted.These my own feelings.After hearing lots of stories about this man I can say he's not someone you can trust.
and whether my friends say good or bad things about Alfred it's their buisness
and I don't think I'm allowed to post it here.Besides they are not the only ccp band I spoke with.
where my friends are recording?hah! they did everything by themselves they only came to Germany for recording vocals and had very very little time...
vocal mastering and all this stuff is all only their work!everything is recorded and it's after final mastering.Now they're waiting for remixes. But I don't know how long it's gonna take.They don't know it too.the whole album material was ready year ago so I can't tell you when...

Yes, it is a very cool job at a label.

It was beside the stress with Talla about the future of Music Research the best time I ever had in my life.

You are right about the promotion but it is not only the promotion. To see the success of your marketing work and the growing of the bands is such great to see.

No, Zillo is not a major company as I know for now ?

@ 21JumpStreet
I would say ccp is really only afred.As far as I know his girlfriend does some things too but it's mostly selling and she's busy with her own works.

what´s the surname of "Alfred"? maybe we can find some infos in the www? maybe ccp has a webside?

ups, I meant " Alfred"

an interview would be cool!

ccp has a website.Nothing interesting. If you type celtic circle productions in google you'll find it...

ah yes. thank you. not much infos. are they selling perfume? the whole right side is full with perfume?

Hello Michal, I know that Alfred is at least working with his girlfriend and some media people are very close to him.

When you not know Alfred, why do you have this negative feelings on him and why have your friends than signed to CCP ? Only because of this thread here ?

Are you mailing with Alfred ?

What other bands you are speaking with and what are they telling you
about CCP ?

They only come to Germany ? Who has paid the travel costs, the hotel, the expenses, the tranfer, etc. ? Have your friends paid this all themselfs ? I can´t believe this !

They had done a playback and recorded the vocals in Germany in a studio ? Do they paid for the studio themself ?

I don´t believe that the album is ready as I would have get a copy of the album from Alfred. I have received all forthcoming releases from him.

Remixes will take time, you can believe me - at least 3 or more months.

You can find an actual interview in the German magazine IRGENDWO IN DEUTSCHLAND ... www.irgendwo-in.de - file under WORTWECHSEL - OCTOBER 2004 with Alfred - there is also a photo from him to find.

Here is the first part of the text:

ALFRED KAENDERS (Oktober 04)
Was bei Celtic Circle Productions so abgeht ist schon wirklich wunderbar. Dieses Kleinod für alle elektronisch-dunklen Seelen hat sich im Laufe der vergangenen zehn Jahre zu einem absoluten Muß der Szene entwickelt. Chef Alfred Kaenders sucht immer noch persönlich, signed, gestaltet, remixed und entwickelt immer wieder verblüffende, neue Ideen. In seiner kargen Freizeit entwickelt der Tausendsassa auch noch wohlfeile Körperdüfte der besonderen Art… Mit seiner Lebenspartnerin Monica Zöller wurde dann auch noch vor kurzem Celtic Accessoires ins Leben geholt. Hier findet man Erlesenes fürs Schmuckkästchen. Schlenter und Kaenders trafen aufeinander und unterhielten sich. Was dabei heraus kam lest Ihr im Folgenden. Nur eins noch: Im Gespräch entstand eine prima Idee, denn Kaenders entwickelt nun extra für die Freunde von »Irgendwo in Deutschland« einen besonderen Duft. Demnächst mehr!

Alfred, Du bist der Chef von "Celtic Circle Productions".

Ja, das ist zutreffend.

Gut, jetzt erklär mir mal was ist alles unter einem Dach von Celtic Circle Productions versammelt.

Unter dem Dach von Celtic Circle Productions ist einmal das reine Label, also Productions integriert, selbstverständlich, dann eine Konzertagentur, die nennt sich "Celtic Circle Concerts", daneben dann das Label "Khazad-Dum Records". Das ist aus dem "Herr der Ringe" und bedeutet "Zwergenheim". Und ein drittes Label, das nennt sich "Parfüme Noire", also ein Parfümlabel eben. Ganz neu ist Celtic Acessoires. Hier bieten wir ausgewählten Schmuck an.

Das ist ja ganz interessant. Wieso gibt es eigentlich unter "Celtic Circle Productions" zwei Musiklabels?

Damals, als wir anfingen haben, gab es nur das Label "Celtic Circle Productions". Und dieses Label kümmerte sich eigentlich um alles. Es ist eigentlich daraus entstanden, daß die Konzertagentur ziemlich intensive Kontakte mit Künstlern, aufgrund des Künstlermanagements, Künstlerverträge und solche Sachen bekam. Und dort dann eine Band namens "Yelworc" sehr progressiv war und der Zeit etwas voraus war. Was heute absolut State Of The Art ist, das hat "Yelwork" schon vor 10, 12 ja 15 Jahren gemacht. Und diese Band konnte keinen ordentlichen oder anständigen Labelvertrag finden. Wir haben dann hin und her versucht einen Publishing- als auch einen Labelvertrag zu kriegen. Und keines der Labels, die zu der Zeit eben aktiv waren, wollte was Ordentliches anbieten. Das heißt, wenn sie dann irgendwelche Reinredereien in die künstlerische Freiheit haben, wie »das könnt ihr nicht machen, das ist ja satanistisch, also so eine Artwork können wir nicht veröffentlichen« oder »die Härte der Musik ist doch etwas gewagt« und solche Sachen. Und darauf hin ist dann eben »Celtic Circle Productions« als Oberbegriff aus eben Celtic Circle Concerts entstanden. Und wir haben dann einfach gesagt: »Komm wir bringen jetzt einfach die CD raus, mehr als daß wir drauf sitzen bleiben kann nicht passieren«. Was dann auch nicht passiert ist, weil wir dann getourt haben und eben dann die EFA, leider heute insolvent, als Vertrieb gefunden hatten.

Ihr seid jetzt bei SPV im Vertrieb. Ist das richtig?

Ja, wir sind jetzt zur Zeit im SPV Vertrieb, nur noch. Leider ist die EFA- wie schon erwähnt - in diesem Jahr in Insolvenz gegangen. Wir werden eventuell, da sind im Moment verschiedene Vertragsverhandlungen im Gange, mit dem Label Celtic Circle in einen anderen Vertrieb gehen und Khazad Dum Records wird voraussichtlich bei SPV bleiben. Aber ich denke schon, dass mit dem Label Celtic Circle Productions einen Vertriebswechsel vornehmen werden.

Wie kommt man auf »Celtic Circle«?

»Celtic Circl«" ist ganz einfach zu erklären. Ich beschäftige mich seid meiner Jugend mit Mythologie und Okkultismus, schwarzer Magie, Esoterik, usw. Und die interessanteste, unbekannte und unerforschte, ja eigentlich eine Kultur, die keiner richtig kennt, weil sie noch stärker vernichtet wurde, als die indianische Kultur, ist eben die keltische Kultur. Und darüber gibt es eben fast nichts. Selbst die Runen sind nur fragmentarisch erhalten. Schriftwerke sind entweder, wenn sie vorhanden sind, wie zum Beispiel die »Edda« sehr, sehr eingechristet. Aber echte Dokumente, aus dieser Zeit, damit meine ich nicht die Spätzeit der Kelten, wo die Kelten schon im Christentum übergegangen waren, sondern aus der keltischen Zeit vor der Christianisierung. Diese Dokumente existieren nicht, weil sie alle verbrannt worden sind, alle vernichtet worden sind, von eben dem Christentum und den Missionaren, usw. Und das war eben das interessante, weil diese Verbindung unserer Kultur und unser Deutschtum oder das Europäische, wenn wir es mal so nennen wollen, wir letztendlich den Kelten zu verdanken haben, denn sie waren die erste wirkliche Hochkultur in Europa.

Gut, du hast mir jetzt die Hintergründe gesagt. Dann weiß man ja so ungefähr in welche Richtung die musikalische Vorliebe von Celtic Circle geht. Magst du dazu was sagen?

Also, die musikalische Vorliebe ist sehr weit gefächert, wobei ich ganz klar einen Schwerpunkt herausheben muss. Das ist »Independent«, das heißt eben massenkompatible Musik nur in Grenzbereichen. Dies bedeutet unter Umständen, daß die eine oder andere Band, sagen wir mal wie Wolfsheim oder Deine Lakaien dann eben größere Bereiche des Massenmarktes abdecken. Aber im Großen und Ganzen ist das musikalische Spektrum "Independent", wobei wenn man dann Schubladen bedient oder musikalische Stile bedient, angefangen von elektronischer Musik, Electronic Body Music, zum Beispiel aus Belgien oder Kanada oder Depeche Mode im elektrifizierten Bereich. Wenn es dann ein bißchen härter sein soll, geht es rüber in den "Industrial" Bereich oder in den Dark Wave oder Dark Pop und auch in den Gothic Bereich.

Here is the second part of the interview:


So dann hast du mir auch noch was erzählt. Du hast ein Parfümlabel, das »Parfume Noire«. Du sagtest mir, daß alle Parfüms aus eigener Herstellung und eigener Entwicklung und nur mit natürlichen Ingredienzien hergestellt sind. Stimmt das denn so?

Das stimmt, ja. Wir wenden also nur Naturöle, das heißt also keine naturidentische, sprich synthetischen Öle, sondern nur echte Öle an, die aus den Grundstoffen gezogen werden. Sowie eigene Extrakte, die wir aus gesetzten oder destillierten Produkten, wie aus Harzen, zum Beispiel Myrreharz, Weihrauchharz ziehen und diese dann zu Kreationen zusammensetzen. Entweder, wenn wir zum Beispiel sagen »Myrre«, dann ist dann der Myrreanteil bei 90 - 95% und um das etwas süßlicher und etwas angenehmer zu kriegen, dann eben ein geringer Anteil "Opoponax" welches eben dann auch als süße Myrre bekannt ist. Im Weihrauchbereich, oder im Olibanumbereich ist es so, dass man da auf verschiedene Weihrauchsorten zurückgreifen kann, die alle ihren eigenen, sehr eigenständigen und spezifischen Charakter in der Duftnote haben, die man dann, je nach dem in welche Richtung man gehen möchte, im sakralen Bereich oder mehr weltlichen Bereich, also esoterischen Bereich gehen kann und dann auch aus den Harzen in der Mischung eine Essenz ziehen kann.

Alfred, wie kommt man auf die Idee Parfüms selber herzustellen oder woher beziehst du deine Duftideen?

Die Duftideen beziehe ich aus der Natur und natürlich auch aus den Ideen, die in der Mythologie beschrieben sind. Wo zum Beispiel gesagt wird, "der Priester legte drei Scheffel Olibanum auf, ein Scheffel Myrre und ein Scheffel Sandelholz" oder dergleichen und wo man dann eben auch Rezepte, die sagen wir mal "Agrippa von Nettersheim" hier aus Köln, einer der größten Magier im Mittelalter, aufgeschrieben hat, bzw. auch andere Okkultisten oder natürlich auch Schwarzmagier, wie der Kollege "Crowley" eben niedergeschrieben hat. Und aus diesen alten Rezepten kann man eben seine eigenen Kreationen ziehen, aber natürlich auch diese Originalrezepte verwenden, um zum Beispiel zu räuchern, aber genauso haben die Ägypter ihre eigenen Cremes und auch Öle zusammengestellt. Die haben mit dem Wohlgeruch bestimmter Kräuter und bestimmter Harze versucht diese in Düfte zu binden, in dem sie eben Alkohol oder Cremes verwendeten und diese eben auf den Körper aufzutragen. Und das ist die Sache, wo man eben auch experimentiert und eine Kreation zu machen versucht, die nicht so allgemein ist, wie heute die synthetischen Parfüms, die sich immer stärker angleichenden. Halt wie auch in der Musik, immer stärker internationalisiert oder gleich gemacht wird, weil der Wohlgeruch bei einer bestimmten Moderichtung, eines bestimmten Gemeingeruchs, dann dem entsprechen soll. Und da will ich etwas dagegen setzen, indem ich eben sage, ich verwende Naturprodukte und gehe hin und mache meine eigenen Kreationen daraus. Im Moment sind es jetzt noch eigentlich sehr explizit bestehende Düfte, wie zum Beispiel mal Myrre oder Weihrauch, aber auch schon erste Mischungen wie zum Beispiel »Elbenzauber«, was so eine richtige eigene Kreation ist, indem verschiedene Harze und auch Öle, aber auch Blüten Verwendung finden. Und auch das eigene Labelparfüme »Rune Magic«, daß eine Mischung aus verschiedene Blättern, Kräutern und Harzen ist und auch sehr herb rüber kommt und eigentlich das Gefühl vermittelt, dass man in der alten Zeit diesen Geruch bestimmt schon in den Gebäuden der alten Druiden oder Magier antreffen konnte.

Kommen wir mal wieder zum Label zurück. Du hast in der nächsten Zeit eine ganze Menge vor, weil ihr Jubiläum feiert.

Ja, wir feiern 15 Jahre Celtic Circle Concerts, und 10 Jahre Khazad-Dum Records. Und wir werden da einige Compilations zusammenstellen, die dann einen Querschnitt der ganzen Arbeit darstellen. Das fängt an mit der Konzertagentur, also Livemitschnitte, die sowohl als auch im Audio- und auch Videobereich existieren. Da sind dann labeleigene Bands drauf, aber auch labelfremde Bands wie »Deine Lakaien« und »Lacrimosa«, also alle großen Szenebands, die alle ihre ersten Konzerte bei mir gespielt haben. Und auch davon existieren selbstverständlich entsprechende Liveaufnahmen, sowohl im Audio-, als auch im perfekten Videomaterial. Und diese Sachen bin ich am lizenzieren, um eben eine entsprechende Labelcompilation-Box, die eben das feiert und die Fans mit einigen sehr schönen Stücken beglücken wird.

Du weißt ja, dass wir ein deutschsprachiges Kulturmagazin sind. Und wir hatten uns ja auch darüber unterhalten, es gibt ja mittlerweile eine ganze Menge von deutschen Bands, die auch wieder anfangen sich ihrer Muttersprache zu bedienen.

Stimmt, jede Menge. Es ist eigentlich sehr erstaunlich, weil etwa vor 10 Jahren hatte ich mal diverse Gespräch mit Bands geführt wie etwa "Deine Lakaien", die eben sagten: »Wir haben die Angst, wenn wir uns im Deutschen bewegen, dass wir lächerlich wirken und daß die Sachen zu direkt sind, und uns lieber der englischen Sprache bedienen, weil der ein oder andere das gar nicht so intensiv versteht, oder wenn es lächerlich ist, die Leute das als so lächerlich gar nicht so Outen können«. Das hat sich aber geändert, weil die deutsche Sprache scheint ein wenig erwachsener geworden zu sein, nicht nur durch Bands wie Goethes Erben, die gesagt haben: »Wir singen grundsätzlich nur in Deutsch«, oder Lacrimosa, der gesagt hat, die deutsche Sprache ist so vielfältig, dass wir sie eben verwenden - und plakativ, kann gern das ein oder andere ein und, ob es dann ins Lächerliche geht oder nicht muss der Hörer entscheiden.

Wie stehst du selbst zu deutscher Sprache in der Kunst?

Also ich denke, die deutsche Sprache ist sehr großzügig bedient mit Worten. Und ich muß sagen, dass die deutsche Sprache in der Ausschmückung weit mehr bietet, als ganz, ganz viele Sprachen auf der Welt. Vielleicht mal die Ausnahme im Französischen, was natürlich auch sehr malerisch oder Lautmalereien bildet und Lautspielereien, denke ich ist die deutsche Sprache dafür ausgerüstet, wenn man mit ihr spielt und nicht nur die einfache, deutsche Sprache verwendet, sie auch in der Kunst einsetzen kann.

Yes, 21JumpStreet. Alfred has very successful started with an exclusive scene parfume label.

@ajkbeast666
listen, I don't know why they signed to ccp.I don't read in people's mind but I'm sure they didn't know about those stories about ccp's past.
all I know is that the studio was for free( alfred's friend) and that they themselves had to do all the work that should be done by guys in the studio.
I'm not asking them questions like:who paid and so on.I believe that alfred has paid but it's normal especially if he believes that all the money will be returned from sales, concerts and so on.
I'm not going to tell you what other bands I spoke with and what did they say because ( like I alredy said)I don't think I'm alowed to do that kind of things.
And I'm not going to explain why I think this or that...but I think if someone lies about small things can also lie about big things.end of story.
Since girls from Provoqate are my friends I wish them all the best an I hope they won't have any problems with the label.

Hello Michal,

I understand what you mean now and your fear for your friends I am understanding, too. Trust me: I can tell you that the most of the stories are not or only partly true. And also there are existing several fairytales on CCP !

You have to hear Alfred´s vision on this stories, too !

Do you have been in contact with him or do you know him as you have posted that you think that I am writing as Alfred is going to do, too ?

If you are not in contact with Alfred, than you can contact him. His email is in this topic to find. Ask him about everything and also your girl friends.

Strange is, that you write that you are in contact with other CCP acts. That you are not telling the names is okay but what they have told you ?

Tell us this please !

What lies are you talking on - what do you mean with small lies and big things to lie on ?

Explain this to us, too !

I know him form emails(not really private) and stories.
what bands said?hmmm...I will put it like this: 'he's not very bad but he could work a lot better'
I won't tell you about lies.these are small personal things.

So you are in contact with him on business affairs or as a fan ?

Do you have read this stories on this forum ?

Or do you heard this stories from other people about him before you find this topic here ?

But where could CCP work better ? Do they mentioned this also ? Maybe they have not all information about Alfred´s works.

Personal lies - I understand !

I'm not in contact with him anymore.
and all those horrible stories about ccp's past I found here.I've read some things on the web but nothing concrete .

Oh, and why are you not in contact with him anymore ?

Aha, now I understand everything what you have written about
CCP´s past.

I think you will soon be satisfied when your friends have released
their first album CD and when they will play shows and the new and
forthcoming festival series of CCP.

Do you understand the article I have posted here from the German magazine Irgendwo In Deutschland. It is in German but it seems to be the latest interview with Alfred to find on the net.

@ Marc

How goes it? "Neues Elektro Blut" DCD is coming out in late May:) Did you send the Severe Illusion remixes to Alfred?

E-Freak:

No, not until today. Alfred has already a track from me intended for this comp. An unreleased RMX of a track named "Devouring Hate" and I am sure to be on it. But Alfred knows that I have done this two remixes of the SI tracks. We'll look forward and will find a way to bring that stuff out. Ulf told me he would like to wait until their album will be out, then we take care about this remix works...

@Marc

SI "AOL II" is coming out on March 7th so no worries:)I'm sure "Neues Elektro Blut II" will feature awesome dark electro tunes

YEAH, IT WILL RAWK!!!

And hopefully Alfred will get enough quality stuff to release it as a DCD set...

@ Marc


Hello dear friend, can you tell me if this release if connected with the Side-Line "Neues Elektro Blut I" CD release?

Hi Darrel,

it is the second volume of this series. The first one was compiled by SL and Alfred just re-animates it. I think this won't be a problem for our dear Side-Liners, right Bernard?

Im gonna email Alfred today, and see how he is...

Good initiative, I'll will do also today, ha-ha:)

I may have a exlusive mix for Alfred for this NEB II, maybe a Vampirik track

Hey Nader,

I have phoned again with Alfred yesterday night.

Neues Elektro Blut II will contains definately a lot of great new electro EBM tracks on a double CD as I know.

Alfred collects the tracks himself and it is not a release in co-operation with Side-Line - sorry. Seba had done the first volume himself and I think he would do the next one if Alfred will ask him for it.

Than hurry up with the mailing of the track to Alfred. I know he will close the line-up of the sampler soon.

@ Marc

@ Lexi


Im in talks with Alfred today via email, will talk to him on phone tonite!.

The ball is rolling for an exclusive Krusafix remix on Neues Elektro Blut II...

Ive emailed some friends also to offer tracks:

Wagner (Dance or Die)
Bon (Maven)
Jarkko (Neuroactive)
Sven (Ionic Vision)

We shall see!

@ Darrel

Cool, that you are in contact again with Alfred.

Post us the news.

i wonder why there apparantly needs to be so much ranting and jealous comments between different parties, as we should all do our thing and support each other when possible. come on, there's more to life than this!

we do this because we care about music right? so, remember that!

btw. our magazine will ofcourse have no problem whatsoever with reviewing the upcoming CCP products! Good luck!

http://www.gothtronic.com

i asked some people about ccp and told them about this discussion here. one of them is a dj in germany and he said that "ajkbeast666" is alfred from ccp posting on www.nachtwelten.de . this is very strange because then this whole thing here would be a fake... please explain!

@ TekNoir.

Your comment is superb - the people in our scene should support each other and not fighting against everybody. But sometimes the people forget this as it seems to be.

@ 21JumpStreet.

Yes, this is true because ajkbeast666 is the old DJ-name of Alfred.

I have used this name as a fake here at the forum to bring some people here in strange and serious situations.

Alfred is posting since years at the Nachtwelten forum as I have checked some weeks ago.

I think you are thinking very simple on Alfred when you think he would use this old DJ-name as his nick here.

yes but if you want to work for ccp someday maybe and this nick is alfreds why don´t he starts an own promotion of his label here with open cards when he posts on nachtworld forum? and what do you mean with "strange and serious situations"? what´s so mysterious with this label and alfred?

@ TekNoir : strange that such comments come from you, when i read the dutch gothic forum you are always spitting on everthing side-line or alfa matrix does, but here you are acting like innocence and even promoting your own zine. I think you are hardly the correct adn right person to tell people not to be jealous. I'm surprised side-line has not kicked you off this board after all the rubbish tyou have been spreading on seba and bernard. If there are two people in the belgian scene who you can trust, it must be these two.

@ 21JumpStreet

Marc has posted in this topic your answer already. Alfred isn´t interested in this forum.

Nothing is mysterious - there are only some "over-interpretations".

@ George IV

I think Miguel is doing a great website and festival organization as well as supporting the Dutch Gothic scene very well. I have followed the threads at the gothic forum and I don´t see the comments on Side-Line and Alfa Matrix as well as on Bernard and Seba such hard as you want to tell us here.

Everybody can write his own and free thoughts - we have free mind and I hope we are open-minded in Europe - sometimes the people forget this !!!

I wouldn't say that Alfred isn't interested in this...
We are talking about this when we both are phoning...

@ Nader: Yesterday also Alfred has get that SI remix stuff. CCP sampler Vol. 6, here we go now...

@ Marc

I have talk also with Alfred about this topic here you know. But he wasn´t really interested in it.

That means not that he has no real interest in the content of the postings but he is not interested in posting here as at the Nachtwelten forum were he is promoting the festival and the releases.

Maybe because of this topic here he has the feeling that he isn´t really welcome here.

Funny is, that I hadn´t known about the Nachtwelten forum postings of Alfred before I started postings here under this nickname.

@ Lexi:

Als ich mal mit Alfred telefoniert habe, hat er sich paralell dazu dieses Topic angesehen. Er fand es interessant, war allerdings nicht sehr erfreut, was Leute wie der Len (Hebus) zu sagen hatte...

@Marc

Have a great trip:)

@ Nader

Hi, normally this is not my time to be here. Still need to have some sleep...
You have read my email from today morning?

Yep i just checked my e-mail:) Is it a boy or a girl?

All the best,

Nader

This time it will be again a boy (so then 2 boys, 1 girl...)

"thumbs up"

@ Teknoir

Yes I knew it! You are the same as on the DGMB. I already thought so when reading your posts on both forums. Yes on DGMB I am the same as well..

I Like your fanzine though. Maybe I should go to one of your parties as my parents live in Drachten at the moment. They seem interesting.

why do you phone with alfred? is it important for you to be in direct conatct with your idol? and why is he your idol? what do you like on him? is he angry about the past? is his girlfriend in a band?

@ 21JumpStreet:

Who said that Alfred is an idol? Could you please explain what you would call an idol? Your question doesn't make too much sense for me...

I am phoning with him because I am from Germany, so why shouldn't I?
He is a friend of mine from times almost 10 years ago although I am not signed at his label (I never was...). I don't know too much about his feelings of the past and I also don't know his current girlfriend. But I think she is not active musically...

@ Marc

Myself and Alfred had a deep dicussion last night over many, many things, as you can imagine in a 5hr call, much is covered!.

Therefore many interesting things to come from CCP in the coming months!.

Personally I think, Alfred seems ok with all this, meaning negitive or positive, he is very busy with giving a total effort to rebuild CCP and looks to the present and the future knowing all too well the past and everything that he has learnt.

@ marc: all the best for the boy!

@ marc

Yes, best wishes to you're family!.

@ Dunkelwerk, Krusafix:

Thank you very much, Martin and Darrel... much appreciated here...

@ Lexi, Nader:

I have unfortunatly found something to think about: go to the CCP website, click on "discography", click then on Nigra Nebula's release and follow the link to their website. Clicck on the N. N. website on the "Info" and read it carefully.

If I would be Alfred I wouldn't link to such crap...

Marc:I can't understand German any chance of translation?

Rivetmike

@ rivetmike

well, they say that ccp is the worst label in the world ...:)

Cheers for the general gist of things.

Rivetmike

they say that CCP owes them 5000 euro for their first release on CCP and that it is a very bad company. they also warn artists to sign to CCP. well this is nothing new. if you start to inform yourself about ccp you will hear such things.

and where is the thruth? somehow I can't believe that they just made it up...

21:I have heard the stories I just wondered what this piece in particular said.

Rivetmike

@ George IV

so, in your sense of logic one can not make a statement that parties in this scene should support eachother instead of burning eachother to the ground, if one has critic views on the side line & alfa matrix merketing techniques?

.........and you go even further by implying side line should ban my ass off of this forum because i have made critical comments? hmmm....makes me wonder what your identity is.

anyway, my statement to just stop ranting and support eachother where possible is an honest one. believe it or not, my network and contacts know better than believing the next troll on a forum......

for your information: on a public board i just state my honest opinions, just like we do in the reviews on http://www.gothtronic.com . there you'll notice i am even quite positive and ethousiastic about some Alfa Matrix releases, because i talk about the music solely, not the intentions of a company.

that's all for now...

enjoy your weekend!

have you phoned with alfred about this 5000 euro thing? what´s up with the past of celtic circle prod? no reactions? why? are you scared and if yes why?

21JumpStreet

What a child you are then you say Alfred is an idol for Marc. How silly people can be ?

When I have found some months ago this forum and threads on a web search I had thought here are several blind people. Not only on CCP also
on many other topics I have found this blindness.

I am in contact with Alfred because he is my friend and I think the same on Marc.

I am a fan of electronic music and the releases of CCP were in the past great more than great so it is clear that I want to be informed on the movement of CCP and new releases, too.

So what the hell are you writing always such shit. As far I know Alfred isn´t angry about the past and his girlfriend is not in a band.

@ Marc - I don´t think that Alfred has a knowledge about the content of the website of Nigra Nebula. The infos on the Nigra Nebula website are totally old and not refreshed for a long time.

I know the singer of Nigra Nebula and he was talking always shit as Wagner has split from him as a keyboarder at Dance Or Die. I don´t think that a label in our scene is oweing a band such a big amount of money on ONE album release.

As far I know Nigra Nebula hadn´t fullfilled the contract. He hadn´t played a confirmed and booked tour and festival appearences on the Popkom 1997
where he was announced and refused to play.

So I think it is a lie on 5.000,00 Euro around he has to get from CCP. When he had posted 500,00 till 1.000,00 Euro open bills of CCP than I would say this true but such an amount in our scene is only to see as a lie. Another shit and scrapy story for me.

Hey Lexi,

Ignore Jumpboy silly messages, he's just a new kid on the block. What happened to Dance or Die?

I guess they stopped dancing and then died.

You're bad:)

this is not fair electrofreak! some of you have started this topic to discuss ccp but if someone asks somes stuff you don´t like you become angry. why? is there something to hide? are you involved in ccp?

No i'm not!I just love CCP releases & i think Alfred deserves a second chance.He's signed a very promising harsh EBM act,Severe Illusion & i'm sure CCP/KHA will get back on track

i´ve heard ccp will release an new sampler. is it a 2cd sampler and only for ccp bands? will there be some tracks from other labels and bands and who are they?

As far I know from Wagner Dance Or Die is over.

The missing of Jor and Anna from Machinery as management has not only for Dance Or Die a problem. Jor was the man who always forced the artists to come into his studio. Steve from And One had this problems, too.

It's a shame though as I did like DOD a lot back in the 90's.
But some things should just be left to the past.

@Lexi,

"shrug" DOD were AWESOME! What's Wagner doing nowadays?

@21jumpst

Alfred is still working on the comp.Expect big surprises!

@ 21JumpStreet

No, we are not angry about discussion also negative one.

But when I read such fuck and crap as Marc´s idol is Alfred, etc. Then I can only think the people are blind and silly. And only talking and writing shit.

AGAIN: There is nothing to hide. For me I only want to make things clear. Mainly when people writing shit without thinking on the truth as that an underground label owes a band like NIGRA NEBULA such a big amount of money on ONE RELEASE. This is only NONSENSE and definately a LIE. Nothing more.

The NEUES ELEKTRO BLUT VOLUME II is for every band not only CCP/KHA artists. Send CCP your promo stuff as many do. Marc will be on the sampler seems to be, too and he isn´t signed at CCP. I think Alfred will publish soon
a tracklisting of NEB II.

Nader, I don´t know about Wagner´s activities. He was seen at the X-Tra-X store in Berlin. I know it as a girl friend from me is working there.

@lexi

Synthetic Symphony have dropped DOD.I'll ask Alfred 2 contact ém...you may never know!

Yes, Nader ... You never know.

DOD are still alive and they have a current management contract with:

www.mpm-hamburg.de

also a new booking-agency contact:

www.substances.de

and already new material for a planned release at the end of 2005!

Be prepared for more details soon!!! ;)

@emperor

You made my day!I LOVE DOD

I have visit this websites. One is definately non-sense as they can´t be on two agenties at the same time. I can´t believe that infos but I would be happy if it is true.

One is the artists management website and the other is the booking agency, what don't you understand? The guys of DOD are very lazy and their website isn't really up do date! But I've listen to eight snippets yet and believe me, it is worth waiting for... ;)

@ Emperor

I can´t listen to Snippets as I am connecting from a internet shop and there are not loud speakers to hear the music. Thanks for the info - for me it looks longer not updated.

@Emperor

DOD are no longer signed to Synthetic Symphony/SPV "Sniff". Who's gonna release their new album?

I don't know, there's no label confirmed yet. Perhaps DOD will doing a self-release, cause after ten years, they also got back the rights from Machinery and re-release the old material. Who knows? ;)

From where you know that DANCE OR DIE have got their rights back from Machinery ? Re-release - self release ? From where do you have this information, emperor ?

Are you Dennis from Solitary Experiments ???

No, I´m not!

MHMMM ... I have ask Emperor, 21JumpStreet ???

@ Emperor
@ 21Jumpstreet


Great news that DOD are still active!

Yes, I'am! Any details has been given by our management! Just was confirmed that DOD will perform at the 14th WGT 2005 in Germany. See you, there...

Hey Dennis, cool.

Than we see Dance Or Die at the WGT 2005.

What news are on Solitary Experiments ?

What do you think on the interview of CCP in the magazine IRGENDWO IN DEUTSCHLAND ???

Hey Darrel,

Alfred said to me at the phone that you have phoned over SIX (!!) hours round 10 days ago and that you want to send him your new stuff.

Hopefully you will release soon new stuff on CCP ???

I want to tell you that I like your ANODIZE album under RED SEKTA very much.

I am a fan of minimal electro and old school EBM.

OLD SCHOOL RULES !!!

Best regards

Lexi

@ Lexi

Yes, we have a long, lomng talk over many things!.

Anodize (1994/5) was 10 years ago!

The material Ive made with RS changed greatly until the Red Sekta - Plasma Surge - CD Album - 1998, which was the last release I did under that guise.

Krusafix formed in 2000, is a totally different concept and new sound.

After talking over all the fine points of a CCP release, I felt after having full control with running my own label with the previous K output that maybe a sub-commercial label with dark overtones and innovative dancefloor desires and not a label so rooted in the hard dark EBM scene.

I wish Alfred all the best with his new bands/artists, and success with CCP in the future.

Im in talks with other labels for Krusafix at this time that I feel are more suited directly and naturally to my specific needs, concepts, etc.

Hey Darrel,

great to read from you.

Yes, I know that Anodize is 10 years ago. I don´t have the Plasma Surge Album - do you have it on stock besides the Krusafix stuff ?

I understand about the full control on your own label. I think this is very important but what do you mean with a sub-commercial label ... Has your sound and concept changed that massive ? I don´t understand because CCP isn´t only based on EBM only.

The new artists of CCP are very good and not only EBM stuff ...

I wish you all the best and luck to find a label which will meet your attention. Sounds very difficult to me to find that label nowadays ?

From a fan,

Lexi

All the RS releases on the Neurogenik Transmissions label will be available via the Krusafix site over the new few wks, as the product store is yet to become active.

Yes, the sound and comcept has change that much.

Out of respect for Alfred, I can not really discuss things here to any greater depth regarding myself and Alfred and CCP.

He is not here and I dont wish to talk in his absense on internal things in a public forum.

Like I said, I wish his new artists/bands good luck and success with CCP in the present and future.

There are many labels out there, he who seeks shall find, as the bible says!.

Best wishes Lexi,

Darrel

Hello Darrel,

thanks for your info about the Red Sekta releases at your Krusafix shop.
I have to take a look on that soon. Oha, so I have to take a look on your new releases on Krusafix when it had changed that much.

I understand your words also as I now that you are friends.

With respect,

Lexi

what is the source of your inspiration?

What do you mean with that question, 21JumpStreet ?

CCP annouces for March 2005 now the release of :

CRADLE OF SPOIL - SEELENLEBEN - LIMITED ALBUM CD
STRICTLY LIMITED 999 HANDNUMBERED COPIES - D-PAK

EVE OF DESTINY - NERVOUS AND INNOCENCE - MCD - D-PAK

FIGHT THE CAUSE - GET ALL - LIMITED DOUBLE-CD
STRICTLY LIMITED 999 HANDNUMBERED COPIES - DOUBLE-D-PAK

OCCCULTURE - CORTEX - LIMITED DOUBLE-CD
STRICTLY LIMITED 999 HANDNUMBERED COPIES - DOUBLE-D-PAK

SEVERE ILLUSION - ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF LEOPOLD II - LIMITED DOUBLE-CD
STRICTLY LIMITED 999 HANDNUMBERED COPIES - DOUBLE-D-PAK

Also the websites: www.darkstar-contest.com and www.nightofdarkness.com
are online.

Where some rumours about a great line-up with many exclusive artists on the Night Of Darkness festival ?

Somebody with more news ?

Awesome, thanks for the news Lexi.

Do you know why Marc isn´t posting anything since weeks now ?

Did he have a new baby born?

Ah, maybe he has done holidays because of this - yes. Thank you, Darrel ...

I hope all is well, can you call him?.

Yes, I will try to call him during the next week at the evening.

Give him my best regards and congratulations with his new baby and to the mother, etc.

I will do this, Darrel.

Seems to be that Marc is very very busy with the new born child, Darrel.

Do you think that your label will reach the dac?

@ ajk

This is wonderful news, the miracle of life and the joys of a child!.

A boy or girl? a name?

Give marc & his wife my warmest regards please,

Darrel.

@21JumpStreet:

It is not my label and the question was not meant for me. I know. But I felt I had to say something: If small labels are not able to break inte the "deusche alternative charts", then how alternative are they really?

@ 21JumpStreet

What do you mean with your question - CCP is not my label ???

I don´t know whether CCP is really interested in this fucking DAC ???!!!

@ Darrel

I haven´t reached Marc at the phone for now. Alfred tried to phone him,
too with no success. Maybe he will be tomorrow back at the office.

@ Apskaft

True words from you ... But I think the DAC isn´t ALTERNATIVE since many years now !!! It is better to name GBC - GERMAN BOUGHT CHARTS ... AHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

@ ajk

What is your definition of minimal electro?

@ ajk

What do you make of the Deine Lakaien Over and Done track?

Minimal electro is electronic music - pure electronic music with the spirit of the 80´s as bands like FAD GADGET for e.g.

Hey Darrel, I like the new track very much and I am playing it at my parties.

When I read the word "minimal" I'm think you refer to not many layers or track within the music?.

This I dont understand? as alot of the bands that are called "minimal" have quite a lot of instrumentation in the mix, so I would see it as not minimal, if for example For Whom the Bells Toll has at least 16+ tracks of instrumentation?.

Whouldnt a better example of "minimal" be early 90's Nitzer Ebb? a bassline and a beat, a techno blip over the top here and there? isnt that true minimal electro ebm?.

I just wonder sometime about the genre classifications within the scene, and how each perception of the style tag in understood, etc.

@ ajk

Yes, this song has much meaning for me!

@ ajk

Any news when the CCOP site is going to be back online?

I agree with your thread, Darrel.

Minimal music is electronic music with a small instrumentation,

Lexi

Yes, the song is great. I understand that the song has a big meaning for you. Good to find such songs in our scene.

As far as I hope the relaunch of the website will be done in within 4 weeks - but I don´t really know for sure. There are several webdesigners working on it as I know.

Will it still be HTML or FLASH?

Can somebody expect how hard it is not to be here? (ha-ha-ha!)
I am back, and many thanks for all your nice words, Lexi and Darrel.
It is a son: Tom-Lennard Tater, born at 18th of Feb. 2005, 12:18 MEZ, 3870 g, 52 cm in best health condition.
About phoning me: I did move and bought a house before and my private telephone number is not registered. But Alfred should have it...

Hey Darrel,

oh, about this I know only ideas but it seems to be mostly in FLASH programmed.

Hey Marc,

I can totally follow you that your absence from the Side-Line forum was hard for you ... AHAHAHAHAHA

Congratulations on your born sun - give wishes to your wife.

Best regards,

Lexi

@ Marc

Great news, congratulations!.

@ ajk

I look forward to seeing the new CCP site!.

Hey Darrel, I am also very interested in seeing the relaunched CCP website.

Alfred told me a little bit about the complete rework of it together with the other websites and the festivals sites.

Yesterday Alfred called me on the phone. Good luck and all the best to all of you here...

all are phoning with "alfred". your phone bills seem to be very high.

21Jump:

What disturbs you when I am phoning with Alfred??? Do I need to have your permission, Mr. Referee???

And - by the way - he has phoned ME!!! A simple question: Who has to pay the phone bill???

why do you all use "???" ?
where you in the same school?

Uuuaaargh, I think I am too tired now to answer on this...

Everyday I skip over this thread wondering why its has so many views. Now i know.

@acfnana

I feel for you :) I mean how many damn times you gotta repeat yourself before "insert name" understands what your saying :/

@21JumpStreet

i think you should give up. your not going to get any real answers.

@ Nvisiblensilent

thanx..hehe

@ Nvisiblensilent

What kind of of a "real" answer does 21JS really need? Can you help and try to explain this to a dump and tired German?

*scratchs head*

@Marc

Dont yo you dont need to go all Goth on my ass :/ . Its ok you'll live.

21jumpstreet wants the juice he wants the meat. You know None of that Light crap or diet..

*Ha looks like i need a grammer checker

I have made my point of view clear with Mr. 21JS in that Black Flames topic. Everybody can ask here and I am trying to answer as good as I can. No light crap and no diet. But you are right, this topic went too often out of it very first meaning (also done by me here...). Sorry to all who are longing for the "meat" here...

@ 21jumpstreet

Don't you use a phone to call people when you have something deeper to discuss that a direct conversation is required to fulfil a greater understand of such?.

No we didnt go to the same school as children, but maybe the same shcool of life!, in that we see many things in the same way!, a connected understanding, hence we became close friends via this and not just working partners without substance between us!.

Tell it how it is, be direct with you're words, hit the nail with the hammer squre on the head and drive it home fully, don't dilute you're words in you're approach, give it some RAMBO BALLS, and tell it how you think you know it and see it.

Works for me!.

Hey Marc, hey Darrel,

thanks for your works about the phone calls. I am really not understanding what several guys here want to say with that shit.

Maybe some people here should close up.

I am really asthonished about this Black Flames topic as I am in contact with Radek by eMail.

in darkness,

Lexi

How about a Red Sekta box set featuring:

RS - Light From Darkness - CD EP - 1993
RS - Anodize CD - CCP - 1994
RS - Seizure - CD EP - 1996
RS - Zealous Adrenalux Fusions - CD Album - 1997
RS - Strike To The Body - CD Single - 1998
RS - Plasma Surge - CD Album - 1998

Plus all CCP compilation tracks by RS:
RS - Circle Of Fire - Halloween Remix - CCP Vol.4 - DCD - 1996
RS - Demolition Man Remix - CCP Vol.3 - DCD - 1995
RS - Dream Demon - CCP Vol.2 - DCD - 1994

Also a special bonus disc of unreleased mixes-remixes.

All re-mastered with new artworks, and added unreleased remixes on each disc until disc running time is full.

All in one mega boxset on CCP, would be a very special and cool, CCP could invent the Mega Boxset with this!

Or maybe a special two part boxset.

Darrel, is Martyblue your biggest fan?

Did you guys already had a conservation with CCP about this?

Ahhh, now I see... oooops.

DARREL: who's that pretty chick? We need her adress... (but don't tell my wife...)

@ Marc

Martyblue seems to be a collector and Ive had emails from this person asking for out of print RS cds.

This seems a nice idea overall, maybe Alfred would also? we have to see?.

Martina is my girlfriend.

Hey Marc, hey Darrel,

so you are mailing pictures of your girlfriend around -
pretty chick ... AHAHAHAHAAHA

Seems to be a good idea of Martyblue on that limited box release.

Lexi

Hey Marc ("Timebound"...hehe)

nice to see some people from back then still active in the scene (I just found out)...

Vertigo...well...fun to write for the mag...long time ago...

Regards from Abraxa (though I don't like that name anymore,hehe)

@ ajk

Any futher news on the new CCP site?

@ Marc

How is the new baby?

@ Nobody:

Hallo Breda,

a long time without a talk and contact. Welcome here at this kiddy place, ha! The pseudonym has taken it's way down and I have never used it anymore. This topic seems to be perfect to find here and there some old friends and people...

@ Darrel:

Hi man, and thanx! Everything is okay and mother and kid are in a good health condition.

@ AJK

Do you know a launch date for the new CCP site?

@ Nader

There are plans for a mega Red Sekta boxset, something along the lines of the above mentioned material. A total material output 1992-1998 a special edition dvd style boxset.

Then possible a new Red Sekta CD single to follow in late 05.

Cool beans!Is Alfred gonna release the Red Sekta box-set?

We shall see, I own the rights to 95% of the RS material, so it could be a Neurogenik Transmissions release or a CCP collabortion, depends how we want to go forward as a partnerships since CCP is now active again.

Much is to be discussed on all this, but the future is bright.

Please keep me posted:)

@ KRUSAFIX

Have been waiting for this news for a long time. Can't wait to get the new releases!

Martyblue ; )

@ Martyblue

Ive heard some of the new mixes of the new RED SEKTA material, Ive heard the promo tag is; the evolution of Hardbeat vs Dark-Synthpop = DARKBEAT = RED SEKTA 2005.

I'm told the new CD-EP has a working title of SUPERCHARGED, and will have 6 tracks.

@ Dragon

Cool.

Where did you get this information from?

Does that mean there is going to be an official Red Sekta site?

Martyblue ; )

@ Martyblue

I'm a new member of the Neurogenik Promo Staff, Ive been a close friend of Darrel some years now, and will be working on all the RS promo pools.

Yes, there is a new official Red Sekta site in development and will be online soon.

All the best,

David.

@ Electrofreak

Here are the Red Sekta release(s) you had an interest in.

http://www.krusafix.co.uk/releasematrix

All track listings and release info's will be a click thru via artwork(s) shortly.

Cheers David

Hi guys,
a long time and no post here...

Wanna see a gost ship?

Check this: www.vertigo24.de

Unbelievable that this is still online...

Hey Lexi,

I haven't heard from Alfred lately.When are the cd's coming out?

Hi Nader,

I believe Alfred has had a loss in his close family, this would be the reason.

Hi Nader,

I believe Alfred has had a loss in his close family, this would be the reason.

Hi Darrel,

Thanks for letting me know.I'll contact him asap.

@ Marc or Nader

Any news of a launch date for the new CCP site?

@Darrel

I haven't heard from Alfred yet.Will keep you posted.

Ps; I want a signed copy of Red Sekta boxset:)

@Nader

Ok, will do, each disc? or the box? or both :o)

@Darrel,

The box:)

Ok, send your postal address via the Red Sekta site that will be online shortly and I will see you get a free copy.

Thanks Darrel i appreciate it:)

PS; "Hammered & Nailed" is MIND BLOWING(I'm eagerly awaiting the new Krusafix album).Keep up the good work!

I've seen some advanced screen shots from the new CCP site, and it seems its going to be a very interesting visual concept with an amalgamation of CCP & Khazad Dum label(s), band micro sites, alternative clothing, perfume, jewelry, accessories all based from the CCP visual concept and alternative life style and vogue of the scene, etc.

A big site in terms of depth.

I look forward to exploring it online soon!

I wonder if anyone had problems ordering dtuff from CCP. They announced the release of the Eve of Destiny maxi-CD about a month ago and a lot of people ordered it from them, but nobody has received their copies so far, even tho Alfred said in his mails (when he took the effort to reply at all) that he already sent the CDs right after he received the money. Still, even after a month nobody received anything (and we are talking about dozens of separate orders). As far as I know he does not even reply the band's inquiries about this situation...
If they are this unreliable and incompetent in releasing a damn CD, I wonder how on Earth will they be able to organize the Night of Darkness festival..?

The label is not even able to maintain a working web site. I hope you did not send him any money.

oh please...it makes me sick to read things like" it's going to be a very interestng visual concept ( about CCP site)" and how great and cult the label is...bla bla. there are only like a few people here who say that and the rest, well the rest say diffrent things.But with his behaviour and the way he's been treating his bands, Alfred only proves what kind of person he is.Yeah, sure, he's got concepts, but that's all he's got.I guess he'll never stop cheating people.

i agree with taube + acfnana !

i remember some stories about CCP and it´s still to be seen if this
time it will get better... i would wait and see first.

@taube: nope, fortunately I did not send any money, coz based on all the delays and other fishy things that preceded the release announcement I decided to wait till the CD shows up in some regular online shops (which never happened) However lot of people, who was not aware of CCP's reputation did send him the money. :\

@Case: No distributors trusts him so there will be no records comming out. His carear is over, he can not come back.

I'm just really sorry for the bands...they're wasting their time and nerves

Alfred has always replied to my emails within a day or so of me sending them.

I think Alfred is swamped in a huge work load to cover all the bases of all the projects he is building to launch as a major entity, etc.

He told me everything is going well on the 4th of May and he was getting ready for doing promotion at WGT and supporting his three bands performing at WGT.

I've seen the website and there has been a huge amount of work going into it, therefore to get it completed on the scale to encompass every division of the CCP enterprise, it will take time to make it a worthwhile professional effort.

I think Alfred should post here soon with his current status of operations.

We shall see!

bla bla..."everything is going well" yeah , sure.For him maybe yes."Promoting his bands" this really made me laugh...hahahaha

@acfnana

Who are you actually?

I guess Bernard and the Alfamatrix team will know more when they meet Alfred the CCP - Night Of Darkness Festival, etc.

Read the recent postings from SL here: http://www.side-line.com/forum/threads.php?id=4821_0_21_0_C

I don't understand why some of you defend this guy so much despite all the things he's done and still doing.Don't you know the eve of destiny story?
Here's official anoucement from the band:
We ourselves are so perplexed now.
Eve of Destiny,We have informed to the label about this problem
repeatedly.
However,We have got no answers to this problem from the label.
Since it is in the situation whose negotiation does not have the answer
from
a label and is impossible,
adequate judgment is difficult for us now.
The way things stand, EOD will also suffer only many damages.
EOD has completed work for the CD (with our own money) before fairly.
It is the present fact that the label cannot be carrying out a contract
and
its promise.
And we are in the situation which cannot be completely decided about
participation
of the Night Of Darkness festival in July.
for all the past acts of EOD receive only loss and not to end it,
please understand that we have to act very carefully.

best regards.
y.tsukamoto(managements)
Eve of Destiny

oh and by the way, KRUSAFIX I think there's no point in posting link to the 'HAMMER!!!7. NIGHT OF DARNESS SUMMER-OPEN-AIR FESTIVAL' thread.
I see only few pople there saying:'yeah, I'm coming ' while I've read and heard many people saying: no way, I'm not going. It's too expensive.

@sinay


I didnt know about the EOD situation, its looking grime indeed!

I posted the NOD thred because Alfamatrix say they have a stand there for three days, so they will find out all the fact covering this whole situation.

Whats to be, will be, what isnt, will not, etc.

@Marc

@Nader

@Bernard (Side-Line)

Whats going on here? what insights do you have?

@Darrel

I'm sure there's a logical explanation for the delays.Will keep you posted:)

@Darrel

ALL CCP bands are pissed (i know that for a fact) .They've been waiting for soo long & i hope Alfred will make up for the delays.

This bad news all really sucks... I was so hoping it would all work out for everyone this time around!!!

Why doesn't ajkbeast666 answering here anymore???

Whats the current status of this label?

I'll give you an update as soon as i hear from Alfred.

When did you last hear from him?

in late april

@Sedusa

Did you get SI cd's &what do ya think?

Strange that it would only take 2 minutes of his time to post here and make many things clear for his situation, the silence is very strange when so much negative reactions are growing from this due to the past and now the present.

Why doesnt he defend himself at all?.

'cos he's probably too busy promoting his bands.hahahahahahahaha(sorry for all ccp bands)

@sinay

Are you a member of Eve Of Destiny?

If not, where did you get that official statement from regarding their situation with CCP, as I couldnt find that info on their website, etc.

it's from their mailing list.if you have any doubts I suggest you to conatact their manager.you can find email address on their official site.as far as I know, some people already recieved ordered CDs...but after reading all this thread I think this label can't be trusted.just my opinion

ok, thanks for sharing the info. So it would seem their CD has been manufactured and is now being released. Well Im glad, it was just bad delays and not more for all concerned.

whats so good about these releases anyways? just wondering? it seems like everyone is so into CCP and waiting and bitching...why don't you support the honest record labels and distro that have better prices than everyone in EU. and actually do their releases on time and with great results..
this scene is a trip sometimes...people are backwards

whats so good about these releases anyways? just wondering? it seems like everyone is so into CCP and waiting and bitching...why don't you support the honest record labels and distro that have better prices than everyone in EU. and actually do their releases on time and with great results..
this scene is a trip sometimes...people are backwards

I'm not into CCP.I don't care whether the releases are good or bad, but if the label signed some bands it should release their works as planned.otherwise the label is just shitty.I mean, how can you work with and trust someone who can't manage to release even one album without delay....just my opinion again;)

yes...I agree..and that is the story with several labels these days from the news I hear...not just CCP...but yeah..that is lame what they are doing...gives the record labels in this scene a bad name..we are still hard working and honest at DSBP...but it doesn't count for too much I guess.
we need more SC and HOCICO clones to be cooler..

Sorry for my long time in silence here.

I don't have any news about the current situation of CCP but I'll do my best to give you greedy little bastards the news you are waiting for...
The discussion turns more and more in a big negative way and like Nader (electrofreak) figured out here, the bands (and not only EOD...) are really pissed of by the delays and the long periode in silence.

One point is clear: Alfred will never give this thread his personal input, Darrel, you know this. So don't wait for a original CCP input. Will check all the things here back and will contact him.

I'm not at liberty to divulge this information but CCP cd's are coming out VERY SOON!!!

which ones are we waiting on again?

coool can;t wait to pay $20 a cd!!!

@ Nader:

Hello my freidn, I am curious... You seem to know anything more... let us know!

"Chirp" Alfred will send you promo copies bro!

@Marc

I'll e-mail you:)

AAAAAARGGH, typos... *friend*

'Alfred will never give this thread his personal input"

why??looks like he doesn't really care....

@ sinay

Where is the sense to be in this forum? To satisfy your childish curiousity?
Be sure, all important things will be clear discussed here, with or without Alfred...

@ Marc

@Nader

Nice to see you guys!

I've emailed Alfred tonight so should have more news on all this very soon.

Failing that, I will call him, as we have not talked since his personal loss in his family, etc.

Alfred will always be a friend to me, no matter what, I will defend him, thats what real mates do. It's very hard to navigate all the internal issues with CCP vs the bands signed when we know so little of the delays regarding manufacturing of the releases, etc. Of course, I feel for the bands that have to suffer all these delays and stresses that come with them. But Im sure Alfred would not create problems for the sake of them, so things must be of a valid reason for all these issues.

I'd like to see AJK, who is also close to Alfred post here and bring so perspective to these issues presently with CCP activities, he did such a good job of keeping everyone informed, etc.

Either way, I dont think this should be reduced to a thread of war between all concerned.

Tomorrow is another day...

this thread started november 3rd and it looks to me like nothing is clear still...

@Darrel

Good things happen to those who wait. You'll get your promo package soon!

do I get a promo package mr santa claus?
I want to spin the stuff...you know me...radio dj junkie...

@ sinay:

I started this thread in November last year, that's right. The plans to rebuild CCP are much older and the announcement of the release of the Amgod goes back to April/May 2004 if I am right...

I'll ask Alfred to send you a package bro:)

I want a DSBP thread like this sometime...I'll come to you guys:-)

@tommyt

You know how it is, sometimes you make friends for life and they never drop you in the shit and leave you, no matter what!, its just a shame those type of friends are few and far between.

@ tommy:

You'll get your thread! But hopefully it will not in in a mp3/ipod debate... it should belong only on the bands at dsbp...

LOL....as it should be..cause the bands deserve more recognition than the ipods do...I only wish...

true words...Krusafix...very few and far between.

DSBP has electrofreak's support:)

thank you!!! electrofreak da big dawg!

Yepper, dsbp forever!!!

okey, just some update... eventually a few people, who ordered the EoD CD got it (mostly the ones who ordered by paypal or whatnot and could take legal steps against CCP) posted mo0re than a month later than promised, but just as many other have never received anything... nor the CD, neither a reply from CCP. After all this EoD cancelled their appearence at CCP's Festival (but I guess the whole event will be cancelled.. I wonder if this Alfred person even notified the bands that were supposed to appear..) and also severed all ties with the label after they got no reply at all from CCP concerning the situation (not to mention that they didn't even got copies to sell during tours and such).
So, any of the people, who were previously writing that they trust Alfred and everything will turn out fine at the end and whatnot, cares to give an explanation to this situation?

Case, I would do if I have news.. I don't have, have sent him a few mails now but no response... I know from several acts that they have cancelled any participation on the Night of Darkness, PSYCHE for example. So I am not sure if this festival will happen this weekend.
Any news from you, Bernard?

No news at all, I stay safe and well in Belgium this weekend. :)

I had a phone conversation with Alfred last week, he gave an overview of the CCP situation.

Alfred has said; SPV have had new management in place since the Amgod release was agreed and the CCP rebirth contract, and this new management have a view to only work with higher profile bands, as they want higher sales figures and possible chart entries.

The Amgod sales figures did not make the new management happy as it did the previous staff that agreed the deal for the rebirth of CCP.

All the new releases have been manufactured, that being every new cd CCP said was coming out, is presently sitting in stock at SPV, frozen until Alfred and SPV Directors can make a new agreement on a way forward, or CCP will leave SPV and get a new distribution deal, which can not happen until SPV release access to the stock all ready pressed.

Its a complex situation, and Im sure there is much more to this than I know, I hope this gives some insight to the issue.

yeah but it's no explanation for treating bands like this(no contact, response ect.)And please , just don't tell me that he must've had some reasons to do that...I mean, how can you just stop contacting with your band...

Moreover, why on the said e-bay shop the tickets are still being sold?

Nah, this smells baaaad...

July 2005 The Festival Of Darkness Concert in Geretzhoven has been cancelled. Please DO NOT travel to the event as you will be wasting your time. There is no Festival.This appears to be an elaborate scam by The Promoter. We know of at least 5 bands who have been advertised on the Bill without being asked.
No bands or their representatives have been able to contact the promoters by Phone, Fax or EMail. Our advice to any Ticketholders is not to travel to the event, and try to obtain refunds for any tickets purchased. We stress the cancellation of this event is beyond our control and apologise to any Nosferatu fans who were going to travel to this 3 Date event to see the band. Please DO NOT Email The Nosferatu Webmaster with associated questions, instead fire them at the promoters.celtic-circle-productions@t-online.de
Once again we stress that this event has nothing whatsoever to do with Nosferatu or Wings Of Destiny.

source: nosferatu website.

@sinay

How the bands have been treated is very bad I agree, this isnt my explanation, but it is the information Alfred gave me himself after I called him to see if he was still alive as I had no emails returned fo 2 months or so.

I don't understand his reasons for cutting all forms of communication with everyone when he was trying to bring CCP back, etc.

With reading what AlphaQuadrant has posted, it seems its all over now, the label and the festival are dead, no official statement to say otherwise.

I posted here to support the return of CCP to a positive new era, this didnt end how it began, I feel sorry for all concerned that suffer as a result.

maybe I'm wrong , but I think that in this situation he should at least inform his bands that they're free to look for another label...

well, people who do not know how to manage a record label should not try in the first place, coz they will cause nothing but harm to the bands.

however... after all this I can't really see this Alfred person as some kind of victim of circumstances as he obviously tries to look like, with this tale about him being mistreated by the evil, moneyhungry SPV. from all what happened his reasons seem more like... getting as much money from people as possible, then disappearing without a trace.

someone should go on sue him for all the harm and loss he caused.

@Nader

What have you heard?

@Darrel,

I'm gonna e-mail you:)

thats too bad what has happened...
I don't give the BIG distributors much attention or hold out for them because of shit like this..you have to release the music and work it on your own label and several smaller distros and stores and not depend on one distro company to do it all..DSBP thinks in modern terms, and when I see this happen to other labels it makes me feel happy we don't put all our eggs in one basket...
so is CCP alive still?
I did get a SEVERE ILLUSION DCD pack from the band...it did come out on CCP.
take care

@Nader

Looking forward to it :o)

@tommyt

As for the SI D-CD, its a shame SPV didnt run with CCP as the bands had fan bases and the CD's would have sold within reason per usual to the scene, 500-1000, (1000-2000 - if lucky).

Amgod sold 1000 copies in less then 6 months of if beinf released, not bad for an inactive artist of 8-10yrs.

So why SPV took this route, seem more like they cut their losses rather than forge ahead with CCP.

But 6 or 7 new releases have all been pressed, therefore 6000-10,000 cd's sitting around at SPV stores doing what? Alfred wants access to these so he can release them, but SPV will not distribute them to retail outlets in Germany nevermind worldwide export.

SPV pressed and Alfred invested heavily to get them made, its a deadlock situation.

I'd like to see SPV honour the agreement made via the previous management for the CCP rebirth, as they have stopped the ball rolling, not Alfred!!!

Does anyone here work for SPV? if so lets here your side of things?.

I always hear bad things about SPV...its why I stay away from them...
good luck, and thanks for the infos.

oh, and the night of darkness is dead also because of spv?............bad spv.But seriously, like I said before I think his problems with spv are no explanation for his attitude.

@sinay

Try asking SPV info@spv.de

fuck SPV!

if people were more intelligent we wouldn't need to worry about lamers like SPV, ALIVE and these other distros that are ridiculous in demands and in what happens when they breakdown..
people should be buying cd's from bands and labels websites..how fucking hard is all thaT? they can find itunes and all these download places...and
they sure can find the shit and steal it, but they can't buty direct from the bands...and then the stores could all buy direct from the label..before you know it..the monopolies break down..walla....thats what I been doing all these years..

but MOST people are sheeple for the most part...lets face it..they cannot do the right thing and support the bands and labels on their own..they need shit distro corporates that will make everything easier and destroy bands, and labels dreams because "they need a distributor"/

the human race needs to wake the fuck up.

how can you support band by buying its stuff trom the label if the band has nothing from it?(I'm talking about CCP of course)And how can you buy stuff from the label that's not worth trust?Some people get their CDs and some don't....
@ KRUSAFIX
thanx, but I won't. The night of darkenss-spv thing was an irony.

let's be honest, you can't put all the blame on SPV since it has nothing to do with the label-bands relations.

@sinay

I have quoted the words of Alfred regarding the situation between CCP vs SPV distribution.

You wanted information, I gave you an insight to why the wheels within CCP have stopped turning, etc.

The working relationship(s) between Alfred and the CCP bands is another matter, I have already said what I think to how this has been handled.

Strange how none of the CCP bands have voiced their views here on all this in person. They could possibly answer your questions, even if CCP doesnt.

looks like the label is going to die(again), already 3 bands announced separation from CCP

and ebay's 'parfume noire' account is gone...no comment

eve of destiny and cocculture have declared they have parted ways with celtic circle productions.

the personal info's on the owner of this label are published on the website of the venue where the night of darkness festival would take place.

What a glorious return. Sometimes you know in the beginning what will be the end.

A friend of mine told me (but i havent seen it myself!) that ccp has published a 1 page colour advertisement in the latest issue (july/august) of "gothic" magazine (what a lame name for a magazine...)


Maybe ccp is not dead afterall....

... I don't have news on this guys...

none of CCP sites work, ebay account is gone...looks like he's simply vanished.Also Cradle of Spoil announced that this is the end of their work with CCP.

@ Alfred

Would be interesting to read your response to all this since you last posted on this thread in March.

Hello to all, first: CCP is no dead. We had many stress and problems out the distribution problems with SPV. SPV has not pressed the CD or financed them. We had done everything alone but SPV had agreed after distributing the AMGOD Box Set to distribute the new releases, too. Now we have split from SPV and will sell the CD´s only by mailorder.

Out of this problems and besides the low sales on the festival we had cancelled the festival ... So we had done many changes and reconstruction but it is working now quite well.

We had out the the distribution problems and the cancellation of the festival many work and problems but they are gonna solved.

I can´t write on everything since March ...

Stay dark,

Alfred

And about the fun and the fake we had here I only can laugh. We had a good time here !!!

@ Alfred

Thank you for the info, hope you continue to keep an online profile regarding your progress and not keep us all in the dark :)

Oh, hello Alfred.

I'm very glad to hear you will still carry on with mail order, because you have some money of mine and I have no CDs of yours. And I hope no one will consider it bad form that I bring this up here but, alas, you never reply to emails! So how about it then? Are you going to send me those Eve of Destiny CDs that I sent you cash for by Registered Airmail many months ago (proof at hand if you will), or is SPV getting in the way of that too? :)

Oh and if you're not reading this thread any more could one of your friends on this forum kindly point it out?

Cheers.