Wow, bands are still doing that? I haven't seen one on stage for about a decade.

Name and shame my good man, name and shame.

What's so bad about it? Except it being overused of course. I think if you can include it as part of the music/sound, it's cool.

Damn, seems there's already some black metal band called "Angel Grinder"...

Like these guys?





No comment....

Also, why are they using the same logo as Animassacre????

angle grinders are the industrial equivalent of the explosions bands like Kiss, Alice Cooper or AC-DC used in the 70s..
they're cheap, smelly and blah

Why don't people use gold crushers in industrial music?? they would seriously have the heaviest beat ever!!! http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/AdelongOldGoldOreCrusher.jpg/401px-AdelongOldGoldOreCrusher.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:AdelongOldGoldOreCrusher.jpg&h=600&w=401&sz=74&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=Cj6TyU0rVn6DoM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgold%2Bcrusher%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DN

Come on now, don't tell me explosions on stage isn't great :(

coreographed explosions on stage = teh suck!

short cirquiting keyboards, frying amps, exploding cabinets, Michael Jackson hair buring = great!

I don't remember seeing you guys bury/burn(?) Michael Jacksons hair at WGT in 2006

Well when the grinder is part of the sound, like it was with Terrorfakt @ the last Kinetik, it's actually quite cool.

People like the visuals too so I don't see anything wrong with it if that's what you are trying to convey on stage.

Hah, even The KLF used an angle grinder. Then again, they had just about everything but the kitchen sink in their Stadium videos.

dont get me startd on the fire safety implications.

and when you spend the rest of the set behind a laptop then wip out the steel 'n' saw for one track...
just. fucking. dont.

it's a no no guys,
as a sound? well ok, i can accept that.. (not that i would put any of MY mics near an angle grinder, but maybe that it's my limitation) as a rhythmic thing maybe..

but as pyrotechnics?
shock value???

bah

angle grinders are ok. a cheap thrill. I think if they're integrated into a larger theatrics setup than they can be cool. but used alone they don't really do anything e.g. if that's your only gimmick than its going to be pretty lame.

THIS IS WHAT THE KLF IS ALL ABOUT!



Oh and respect to the man in the ice cream van, yo

once i saw a guy from Mutoid Waste Co going through a expired foam fire estinguisher with an angle grinder.
the estinguished was expired but NOT empty..

that was cool

sparks are pretty

weird, guess you learn something every day... I dont see bands live myself, but I never would of thought Angle-grinders were that used at all...I thought it was only a few bands like leechwoman and neubauten ect..

I've only seen two or three bands using them, really.

Instead of bashing, then come up with some new ideas? What about a potato-gun? :O

KLF is gonna rock ya!

I wonder when Scooter will start using angle grinders on stage because The KLF did. Seeing as how Scooter rips everything else KLF did :)

1) Sumez already won the thread by a memetic Scooter/KLF reference. And Scooter does not rip the KLF off, they're very reverent towards the kickass that is the KLF.

2) So, we're moving on from complaining about fake blood to complaining about sparks? How are you guys making your live show visually appealing? A trash bag full of green Jell-O and a wrestling contest? C'mon, enlighten us as to how to make a show interesting.

mr. pathogen: This might be true but a ripoff is still a ripoff. Scooter is loads of fun, though. :)

thats right, fuck angle grinders.

i use a grinder in our shows. trying to stand out a little. One of our drummer's eats light bulbs on stage. We also smash bottles over our heads, cut ourselves with the glass, i hung myself from the lighting rig at one show, til i turned purple and passed out and fell down.

we go on stage to have a good time, we arent gonna stand behind a pair of laptops, some bands do it, thats their dig, and as long as they are having fun, im all about it.

im a loud, loud, boisterous guy, so of course my stage persona is that times ten.

we bring 2-3 drummers, 2 keyboard players, a guitar player, and shit, we are gonna have J. playing a theremin at the next show. people paid some money to get in, somtimes they have paid alot of money to get in. they have EARNED the right to be ENTERTAINED, thats what we do, we are entertainers. If people arent coming up to me, talking about the show, saying they had a great time and will come again, i have failed them.

as long as we get it signed off, ill be breathing fire at the allentown show. depends on if they allow me to do it. they allow the grinder because, its not a fire hazard. i couldnt light a ciggarette on fire with the sparks from a grinder.

but it all "fits" too, i dont grind to any song, i grind to two specific songs in two specific parts. its heavy as balls in those parts, and its got a bridge. so there was too choices, i fill it in with something entertaining, like the angle grinding, or we have a keyboard or guitar solo.

we did it with a keyboard solo in the begining. i would get a great tone and tear it up. I use a grinder, sawzall, cutting and brazing torches, etc all at work, so i apply what i do during the day to what i do at night.

If people don't like it, or are bored with it or whatever, stop buying tickets and coming. Oddly enough, it seems like we sell more and more tickets to everyshow, so maybe some people dig what we are doing.

honestly though, i dont feel that they are played out, or over used. i hadnt seen them in years on stage, so i definitly didnt feel like we were copying anyone else, or doing something played out.

sure you can google and pull up bands using a grinder, you can pull up pics of a horse fuckin a gril too, doesnt mean its happening on stage everywhere.

it seems coincidental though, that jaws has been pushing myparasites lately on here, and then this post. are you talking about us?

since im the guy doing the grinding, id like to know.

god fuckin damnit, i dont know why it strectched, i didnt post that much shit.

oh, whatever cult posted stretched it.

-What about younger people who didnt experience the shit from the 80s/90s?

-If it goes well with the music, why not?

-Isnt it better then just seeing a DAT deck, one guy "playing" keyboards, and one guy jumping up and down at a mic?

-Can anyone beat an old Neubauten live show? :P

Van Halen, then?

let me repeat myself

angle grinders are the industrial equivalent of the explosions bands like Kiss, Alice Cooper or AC-DC used in the 70s..
they're cheap, smelly and blah

i even used them back in the days, not with x** mind you, a different project, but they're definitely not entertaining for me.

yeah sparks

yeah excitement

yeah burned plastic smell!


and honestly Eddie it has nothing to do with you in particular, if you feel touched by my distaste for angle grinders as stage tricks, well.. tough luck

http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/bar/725031633.html

Speaking of angle grinders, anyone wanna get three of 'em for barter so you can really piss Marko off? :D

Well angle grinders are like an inaugruation for scene chicks. The hottest of the hot scene chicks get to tour with the bands as an angle-grinder. It's a status symbol (wow, that girl over there, she ground angles for xxx!).

Why cant people dress up like clowns and release hundreds of balloons during a show? Maybe the lead singer can come out as a clown on a tiny tiny tricycle or something?

CLOWNS = THE NEW INDUSTRIAL!

I think you just invented the next Caustic live show.

Oh I was mistaken! All this time I thought you all were talking about people bringing protractors out on stage.

@ seraphim
LOL i'm sure somebody's done that too..

CLOWNS = THE NEW INDUSTRIAL!

Wait? So Die Krupps invented industrial then?

fuck that!!! Who is gonna start launching FAYGO at the crowd at teh next x** show!!!!

we need to incorporate FAYGO into this "scene".

or maybe we can have our own beverage. such as "tab" or "RC Cola".

me thinks sooooo!

x**_Mrk: no mics involved. The instrument that was being grinded was a bass costructed of metal, and was plugged into the mixing board. Hundreds of people at the festival thought it was cool so why not.

What's better, watching some fatass(me included) just jumping up and down behind a laptop and keyboard? I think it depends on the band and the visual aspect of what they are trying to go for.

I think keytars and gasmasks on stage are much more cheesier.

what's FAYGO?

That looks like it could kill sperm

For me, it depends on its usage. I don't mind grinders if it has something to do with the music (Babyland and older SMP actually used grinders live as a percussive component to the music - along with classic bands like Neubauten and Test Dept.). If your shooting sparks just to look SHOCKING and DIABOLICAL, try something new as it's been done to death.

However, I'll take grinders over fucking fire spinners anyday...

WICKED CLOWN REPRESENT!

Actually I generally do not listen to ICP but they have some pretty funny tunes. Lord knows music needs humor sometimes. And MSI have opened for them before!

We have been using a circular saw with metal cutting blade onstage and on recordings since 1989. The audio of the saw is all over our first 7" single and several of our full-lengths.

We still use the saw live when it is a part of the actual audio of the original song (such as "Dismissal"). The saw is always mic'd and adds a very strong visual and sound element to our performance.

I first saw a circular saw used live in 1985 by the bay area band The Beatnigs (an amazing band...). They opened for Big Audio Dynamite and used it only as a visual element. I loved it, but I always thought it would be even better to hear it as well. When we first started 'playing' we used a saw with a SM58 duct taped to it and then running to a DOD distortion pedal.

For many years we experimented with fire onstage as well; It became too much of a liability, though - the clubs hated it and we would get sick from the smoke night after night. The saw, however, remains...

The new shit on stage i 2 teaspoons smashed together real hard!

GRIND MY ANGLE!!!



And why must every other thread end up being about Scooter?

Hay Marko, know what -I- hate?

SWEARS SHOES!

Booyaka

i got some swears!

@ x** - cool man, i hate lotsa shit too, and it doesn't have anything to do with any one in particular either.

i guess i got paranoid. it was either paranoia or narcissism that made me think the thread was about myparasites and I. haha.

Everyone has Swears! It's much more overused than angle grinders. Why not just go all the way and go back to buffalo shoes, I know I'M getting some.

Sumez
i love swears and buffalos but i don't see them as stage props..
it'd be like saying that black or camo is overused... shit, you got me, haven't you?

Hey, nothing on Buffalos here, I like them myself. Even during the 90's where everyone hated them.

Angle grinders.

"we want attention and haven't been paying...attention"

Gee, like overused cliches ever hurt anyone. After all, you're the one sampling Hitler (touché!) :)

And Sumez for the win!

What about angle grinders bagstage then? :P

okay my spelling is the shiiit today, need my schoolmoney back... So let's try with backstage instead?

Has anybody had a angle grinder in use, backstage? and was what it used for? :D

@ BABYLANd

Nobody puts Babyland in a corner!
Anyone that's been doing hardware *as the sound*, especially for the last decade, is grandfathered in.


@ dino velvet

"One of our drummer's eats light bulbs on stage. We also smash bottles over our heads, cut ourselves with the glass, i hung myself from the lighting rig at one show, til i turned purple and passed out and fell down. we go on stage to have a good time

Yeah, that sounds super fun. =/

I used one one time, as part of the drum rig when Caustic played at HoB in Chicago with KMFDM and Combichrist. Clamped it to the stand as another drum, tapped it gently on the 'hat' beat for one song.

Never tap a grinder wheel. Apply to solid surface gently.

Sounded and looked good until the grinder wheel shattered and threw parts.. somewhere. I don't know. No one was harmed and I never got a bill for anything, and I didn't have to pick grinder fragments out of my cock, so I guess it was all ok.

Definitely a live and learn night. =P Anyway, people seemed to enjoy it as part of the overall set. Someone threw tighty whiteys up on stage for us. Hawt.

As long as no one was hurt, that sounds pretty amazing, Endif. Fun show, I can imagine.

myparasites rocks it son

I likem.. babyland is the only band I've seen use one live though

@ endiff - it is fun. you have fun touching lil kids, we have fun trying to be GG Allin. everybody likes something different.

awwww, jaws, how you gonna post a grinding pic from the show and not post the one of me smiling!

fuck, im sexxxy!

cant you guys go one thread without posting pics of yourselves?

NO!

Undeniably the best grinder on stage photo ever seen ;).

From a Zombie Girl show in Vancouver, Thats DJ Pandemonium rocking out on the barrel.

KLF is a brilliant band

@wormsoftheearth

we could, we just choose not too.
this thread is about angle grinders, and we happen to have pix with us with angle grinders.

why would we wanna do that? you missed the point, we are the only band that matters.

it goes like this

1. slayer
2. slayer
3. slayer
4. myparasites
5. slayer
6. slayer
7. slayer
8. slayer.
9. slayer
10. slayer

Slayer with angle grinders on stage!
that'd be Eddie's heaven then!

what a birthday present would that be!!

;)

holy shit it would be. you got a youtube link to that!

-eddie

ahh, this will have to do bitchezz...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkFXGCr8N9k

khaos pad!

i wanna fuckin make out with you myparasites

woo0o0oo!!
you neeed haywires permission!

oh yeah man, bong-ra,. i like that mix they do with slayer, nice!

I remember yeeeeearrrsss ago being blown away by Delta 9, that first cd was so bad ass, withall the pantera and 7 seconds samples and shit, loved it